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Subject: Re: Orthodox human victory vs. Rybka

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 16:08:59 12/21/05

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On December 21, 2005 at 12:47:14, Vladimir Xern wrote:

>On December 21, 2005 at 11:36:22, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>This game can hardly count as "orthodox" victory.
>>The win is solely based on very weak opening play by Rybka.
>
>Er, really? You mean to say that one side has to play worse than the other for
>it to lose?

No, I mean to say exactly what I wrote.

And here I thought that's how every chess game was decided. And that
>since Rybka played a particular part of the game worse and lost, it still
>"doesn't count" as a legitimate win?

Why not. Be happy with your legitimate win. :)

Rybka Beta is not what you can call a well-rounded program yet. It plays the
opening like a typical amateur engine (i.e. self-blockade of c-pawn or useless
Bishop checks on b4,b5) and has a serious lack of endgame knowledge.

Well damn, I guess I'm back to the drawing
>board since winning apparently isn't good enough.
>>Any good book has 1.e4 e6 2.e5 d6. Try to beat Rybka from there...
>
>If Rybka played anything that thoughtful, I wouldn't have gone for the Steinitz
>variation in the first place, would I have?

Getting the engine out of book on purpose at move two is Anti-Computer chess.
There is nothing wrong with it but 1.e4 e6 2.e5 Sc6 3.d4 Bb4+? is not something
you can call "orthodox line" by any means.

>>Download the Man-Machine database from Tony Hedlunds site and search for a
>>machine who played 1...e6 in an important man-machine game.
>>You won't find many...
>
>Why? Oh, because you think the French is a poor defence for computers. Then you
>should be happy that I gave your claims some validity after all. :)

>Facts: the game is an offhand, informal blitz game I played on a Wednesday
>morning while eating some breakfast cereal to provide a change of pace from
>anti-chess. All you armchair dissenters should lighten up on the arrogance.
>You're rated what, around 2300 FIDE?

I wonder what my rating has to do with the subject.

You should be on our side expending a
>little elbow grease. :)

>Oh, and Merry Christmas.

Thanks, likewise


>-Vlad



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