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Subject: is everybody but rybka just plain wrong; or can we not trust engines

Author: Joseph Ciarrochi

Date: 17:34:15 12/21/05

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Based on these posts, It seems like all the programs except rybka and fritz 9
think that white has a strong advantage. (rybka at depth = 17 as +.48, which is
a typical white advantage, but not that strong).

I think these non-rybka engines are getting it wrong....if you look at
(http://www.chesslab.com/PositionSearch.html), black and white are close to
even(33% white; 25% black) (granted based on only about 12 games). Dann, how
many games was your "57% for white" based on?

Also, if you pit the engine against itself, there does not appear to  be a
strong white advantage. i.e. white seems to only win about 50% ((i'll update
this after 40 or so games of different engines playing themselves)

How much can we trust engines to evaluate opening variations?

best
Joseph



On December 21, 2005 at 20:05:33, John Merlino wrote:

>On December 21, 2005 at 19:03:43, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On December 21, 2005 at 18:32:52, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>Which results in this position:
>>>[D]rnb1kb1r/pp2pppp/1qp2n2/8/3P4/2N2N2/PPPB1PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - 0 7
>>
>>White gets 57/5% of the points, in my database (well above average).
>>
>>Preferred moves seem to be Bd3, Bc4, Na4
>>I see Rb1 played occasionally in my database, but it looks inferior.
>
>CM9000's opening book ends at 6...Qb6. CM9_R1 on a P4-2.4 likes the position
>very much for White and says this:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/6	1.39	39467		7.Bd3 c5 8.Bb5+ Nbd7 9.dxc5 Qxc5
>					10.Be3 Qb4
>0:00	1/6	1.40	42928		7.Na4 Qd8 8.Bd3 b5 9.Nc5 e5 10.O-O
>					exd4
>0:00	1/7	1.29	58085		7.Na4 Qc7 8.Bd3 Nbd7 9.O-O e5 10.Qe2
>					Bd6
>0:01	1/8	1.19	122963		7.Na4 Qc7 8.Bd3 e6 9.O-O Bd6 10.Nc5
>					O-O 11.c4
>0:02	1/8	1.46	266962		7.Bd3 Qxb2 8.Rb1 Qa3 9.O-O Nbd7
>					10.Rb3 Qa5 11.Qe2
>0:04	1/9	1.27	634459		7.Bd3 e6 8.O-O Be7 9.Rb1 O-O 10.Qe2
>					c5 11.d5 Bd6
>0:11	1/10	1.44	1610449		7.Bd3 e6 8.O-O Be7 9.a4 O-O 10.a5
>					Qd8 11.Qe2 Nd5
>0:29	1/11	1.24	4567995		7.Bd3 e6 8.O-O Bd6 9.a4 O-O 10.a5
>					Qc7 11.Qe2 Ng4 12.h3 Nf6
>1:35	1/12	1.36	15184957	7.Bd3 e6 8.O-O Bd6 9.a4 O-O 10.Qe2
>					Nbd7 11.a5 Qd8 12.Ne4 Nxe4 13.Qxe4
>
>jm



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