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Subject: Re: Problem with Rybka 1.01 ?? (Full game possible?)

Author: Eduard Nemeth

Date: 11:30:17 12/22/05

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On December 22, 2005 at 13:28:48, Barry Culp wrote:

>I just got my copy of Rybka 1.01 and the first position I tried to
>analyze has a possible problem ? I am using the Fritz 9 GUI on a
>P4 3.6 ghz with 512mb hash in infinite analysis mode.
>
>The older version Rybka 1.0 switches from  Rh5 (-4.11) to Ke2 (-.80) in 7:16
>at ply 15.
>
>The newer version Rybka 1.01 stays on Rh5 ply 13 and doesnt make
>any more progress after 30 minutes ??? I was able to reproduce
>this "problem" a second time. I even tried booting my PC after each analysis.
>
>Can anyone with Rybka 1.01 reproduce my results ??
>
>
>[D] r6k/6p1/pq1pB1Pp/2nP1R2/2Q2p2/P1R2P2/2PK3P/1r6 w - - 0 1
>
>
>Analysis by Rybka 1.0 Preview 32-bit:
>
>34.Rh5 Nxe6 35.dxe6 Re8 36.Rb3 Qf2+ 37.Qe2 Qxe2+ 38.Kxe2 Rg1 39.Kd3 Rxg6
>  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 11   00:00:13  687kN
>34.Rh5 Nxe6 35.dxe6 Re8 36.Rb3 Qf2+ 37.Qe2 Qxe2+ 38.Kxe2 Rg1 39.Kd3 Rxg6 40.Rf5
>  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 12   00:00:25  1354kN
>34.Rh5 Nxe6 35.dxe6 Re8 36.Rb3 Qf2+ 37.Qe2 Qxe2+ 38.Kxe2 Rg1 39.Kd3 Rxg6 40.Rf5
>Rgxe6
>  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 13   00:00:46  2558kN
>34.Rh5 Nxe6 35.dxe6 Re8 36.Rf5 Qg1 37.Qe2 Qxg6 38.Rxf4 Rxe6 39.Rc8+ Kh7 40.Qd3
>  ³  (-0.48)   Depth: 14   00:01:29  5272kN
>34.Rh5 Nxe6 35.dxe6 Qf2+ 36.Qe2 Qd4+ 37.Rd3 Qg1 38.Rc3 Rf1 39.Ra5 Rf2 40.Rxa6
>Rxe2+
>  -+  (-4.11)   Depth: 15   00:04:10  14311kN
>34.Ke2 Re8 35.Qxf4 Nxe6 36.dxe6 Rxe6+ 37.Kd2 Qf2+ 38.Kd3 Qe2+ 39.Kd4 Rd1+ 40.Rd3
>Rxd3+
>  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 15   00:07:16  23074kN
>
>
>Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Preview 2 32-bit:
>
>34.Rh5 Nxe6 35.dxe6 Re8 36.Rb3 Rxb3 37.cxb3 Qe3+ 38.Kc2 Rxe6 39.Qc8+ Re8 40.Qb7
>  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 11   00:00:11  1588kN
>34.Rh5 Nxe6 35.dxe6 Re8 36.Rb3 Qf2+ 37.Qe2 Qxe2+ 38.Kxe2 Rg1 39.Rf5 Rxg6 40.Rxf4
>  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 12   00:00:24  3348kN
>34.Rh5 Nxe6 35.dxe6 Re8 36.Rb3 Qf2+ 37.Qe2 Qxe2+ 38.Kxe2 Rg1 39.Rf5 Rxg6 40.Rxf4
>Rgxe6+
>  ³  (-0.40)   Depth: 13   00:00:45  6395kN
>
>No further analysis here after 30 minutes ?? Notice the difference
>in node count on plys 11-13 between the 2 versions

Hi Barry!

By me no, but:

Is possible that You post the full game?

I am sure that the FEN-String alone can not gives the answer. I remember Fritz
7.006 hase a BUG, but I have found it only with a FULL game Notation (the
FEN-String alone was not enough!

On my slow Computer (P3 600 with 64 MB hash) and with Time Management: "Normal"
Rybka 1.01 analysis also:

Neue Partie,
r6k/6p1/pq1pB1Pp/2nP1R2/2Q2p2/P1R2P2/2PK3P/1r6 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Preview 2 32-bit:

1.Dxf4
  -+  (-1.96)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.h4
  -+  (-1.56)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.h3
  -+  (-1.50)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.a4
  µ  (-1.09)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.Te5
  =  (-0.20)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.Th5
  =  (0.14)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.Ke2
  ²  (0.41)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.Ke2
  ²  (0.49)   Tiefe: 4   00:00:01
1.Ke2 Te8
  =  (0.05)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:01
1.Th5 Sxe6
  =  (0.17)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:01
1.Th5 Sb7 2.Tb3
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:02  65kN
1.Th5 Sb7 2.Tb3 Df2+ 3.De2
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:04  101kN
1.Th5 Sb7 2.Tb3 Df2+ 3.De2 Dd4+ 4.Dd3
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:06  182kN
1.Th5 Sb7 2.Tb3 Df2+ 3.De2 Dd4+ 4.Dd3 Df2+ 5.De2 Dd4+ 6.Dd3 Df2+ 7.De2 Dd4+
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:12  380kN
1.Th5 Sb7 2.Tb3 Df2+ 3.De2 Dd4+ 4.Dd3 Df2+ 5.De2 Dd4+ 6.Dd3 Df2+ 7.De2 Dd4+
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:24  776kN
1.Th5 Sxe6 2.dxe6 Te8 3.Tb3 Df2+ 4.De2 Dxe2+ 5.Kxe2 Tg1 6.Kd3 Txg6
  ³  (-0.30)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:56  1771kN
1.Th5 Sxe6 2.dxe6 Te8 3.Tb3 Df2+ 4.De2 Dxe2+ 5.Kxe2 Tg1 6.Kd3 Txg6 7.Tf5
  ³  (-0.33)   Tiefe: 12   00:01:41  3363kN
1.Th5 Sxe6 2.dxe6 Te8 3.Tb3 Df2+ 4.De2 Dxe2+ 5.Kxe2 Tg1 6.Kd3 Txg6 7.Tf5 Tgxe6
  ³  (-0.33)   Tiefe: 13   00:02:57  6241kN
1.Th5 Sxe6 2.dxe6 Te8 3.Tb3 Txb3 4.cxb3 De3+ 5.Kc2 Df2+ 6.Kb1 Dg1+ 7.Kb2 Dxg6
  ³  (-0.55)   Tiefe: 14   00:05:40  12371kN
1.Th5 Sxe6 2.dxe6 Df2+
  -+  (-4.16)   Tiefe: 15   00:16:03  36039kN
1.Ke2 Te8
  µ  (-0.90)   Tiefe: 15   00:35:21  78955kN

(Nemeth, Privat 22.12.2005)

With a full game and a click in current analysis after move 33, I will seen more
then with a FEN-String here (Number of Move is in FEN like ever as "1").

Eduard.



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