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Subject: Re: in all fairness, toga performs differently from fruit 2.2.

Author: Graham Banks

Date: 19:58:22 12/22/05

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On December 22, 2005 at 22:54:21, Ryan B. wrote:

>On December 22, 2005 at 22:43:35, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:
>
>>
>>I am very respectiful of the creator of fruit 2.2. and the way he has influenced
>>programing. Having said that, it looks to me that toga is similar to fruit, but
>>also clearly distinguishable from fruit in terms of how it evaluats a postion.
>>
>> Check out the stats here :
>>http://kd.lab.nig.ac.jp/chess/cegt/engine-distance-table-best-300.shtml
>>
>>
>>Unforutnately, there are no head to head comparisons of fruit and toga, but you
>>can look at how similar they are when competing against the same engine. For
>>example, togas evaluations  are more similar to ktula 7.5 evaluations than
>>fruits.
>>
>>this is not definitive reasoning, unfortunately. Fruit went comericial between
>>version 2.1 and 2.2, and the new code was no longer public access. maybe the
>>observed differences are due to what was added in 2.2.   i.e., maybe fruit 2.1
>>is almost identifical to toga, but 2.2 is quite different? any data on this?
>>
>>best
>>Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On December 22, 2005 at 22:15:18, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>
>>>On December 22, 2005 at 20:33:50, Zappa wrote:
>>>
>>>>A different view:
>>>>
>>>>Hydra, too weak to show at Paderborn
>>>>Zappa, the best thing since sliced bread
>>>>Fruit, proving once again that KISS works.
>>>>Toga II, the clone of fruit with literally 50 lines changed that people somehow
>>>>credit as a real engine
>>>
>>>And isn't it true the the author of Toga initially tried to claim that the code
>>>was 100% his?  It's beyond me why anybody recognizes Toga as a distinct engine.
>>>It sounds like it contains about as much original work as a Chessmaster
>>>personality.
>>>
>>>-Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rybka, an interesting and totally different approach that seems to work real
>>>>well
>>>>
>>>>anthony
>
>
>Toga is a more tactical less positional version of Fruit 2.1.  Very little
>change in actual personality beyond that.
>
>Ryan


Hi Ryan,

how would you classify your Gambit Fruit compared to Fruit 2.1 and Toga?

Graham.



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