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Subject: Re: No progress possible

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 15:34:08 12/25/05

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On December 25, 2005 at 14:22:06, Albert Silver wrote:

>On December 25, 2005 at 14:00:34, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>
>>On December 25, 2005 at 09:51:18, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>I've already managed to make a rough design of the endgame knowledge solution
>>>>for Rybka 1.2, and this position won't be covered by it.
>>>>
>>>>In the long term, however, an engine should solve this position as well. It's
>>>>part of the bigger concept of knowing when you can't make progress.
>>>>
>>>>Vas
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's important to know when no progress is possible. Like in this position
>>> which comes from a Nunn ending1 match between Fritz9 and Rybka. Rybka entered
>>> this position happily, as black, showing + 4.02. But of course it's a draw.
>>> The white rook is rock solid on f6.
>>>
>>> [D]8/4k3/5Rp1/6P1/3K1P2/1P6/8/7q b - - 0 25
>>>
>>>
>>> /S
>>
>>Yup. Rybka 1.2 will actually do ok here, but there are some deeper questions.
>>One idea I have thought about a little bit is that an advantage should grow over
>>time (ie with more search). I think it's true of every serious advantage, but
>>the opposite may be true of small advantages.
>>
>>Vas
>
>
>Here's an oddity I ran accross:
>
>[D]2k4r/6R1/p1p1P3/8/2P5/P7/1P3r1p/1K5R b - - 0 54
>
>For some reason, Rybka can't seem to find 54...Re2 in a reasonable time,
>contrary to other engines. It insists on Kd8 which loses quickly.
>
>                                       Albert

At first glance it looks like a search problem. White wins here with 1. .. Kd8
2. Rb7 Rh6 3. e7 Ke8 4. Re1 Re2 5. Rxe2 h1/Q which Rybka isn't going to like for
a while.

This will all be re-visited later.

Vas



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