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Subject: Re: Hiarcs 10 observations

Author: Joseph Ciarrochi

Date: 13:23:47 12/26/05

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It may be difficult to measure "humanlike play" but this does not mean that
engines do not differ in this quality (humanness).

As a research psychologist, and if i had alot of money, I would measure
"humanlike" in the following way.

I would have 1000 chess players play 20 games, 10 against a computer, 10 against
a human. After each game , they would have to guess whether they were playing a
human or computer (a kind of turing test).


The most "human like" program would be the one that was most often mistaken for
a human.


If anthony is right (and he may be), then all the engines would be about equal
in terms of there humanness ratings.

Lacking the money and time, I offer this rather unsubstantiated opionion. Rybka
not only plays like a human...it is human. At 12.45 on xmas eve, my copy of
rybka achieved consciousness, it realized i could not play chess and now ignores
me. This morning rybka took control of two machines including the toaster. I
have lost control. This may be my last email to the outside world. Help!


ber





On December 26, 2005 at 15:52:25, Zappa wrote:

>On December 26, 2005 at 15:37:01, paul bedrey wrote:
>
>>On December 26, 2005 at 14:50:57, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>On December 26, 2005 at 14:21:24, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 26, 2005 at 14:06:40, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>nonsense
>>>>
>>>> Actually that kind of conversations are useless and don't contibute to any
>>>>positive thing.....
>>>> You should give examples that contradict Mike's statement, while Mike should
>>>>give examples that follow his statement.... None of you gave even a single fact,
>>>>only personal opinions not even detailed ones.....
>>>
>>>How does one OBJECTIVELY verify what is "humanlike style" (and all similar
>>>claims) and what is not?
>>>
>>>You can't.
>>>
>>>That's why it is propaganda.
>>
>>What about a testsuite of positions marked !! by grandmaster commentators(would
>>have to include 100's of positions). Chessbase includes a database with medals
>>and analysis by various anointaters. Also some Chess magazines include high
>>quality analysis by grandmasters like Karpov and Anand.
>>Can't get more human then that, plus they are verified.
>>>
>>>--
>>>GCP
>
>Nah, I'm with GCP on this one.  "Humanlike" is simply not a very scientific
>term.  I mean, I could say that Zappa is humanlike if it hangs a piece :)
>
>anthony



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