Author: Andrew Dados
Date: 19:02:24 03/29/99
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On March 29, 1999 at 21:35:06, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
>On March 29, 1999 at 18:08:28, blass uri wrote:
>
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>>On March 29, 1999 at 13:33:20, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
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>>>In short, I believe the premise of this thread is somewhat flawed. Crafty has
>>>not (against humans) been demonstrated to be significantly weaker than anything
>>>else, especially at speed.
>>
>>The results of mark young showed that Hiarcs7 is better than parallel crafty at
>>10 min+20 seconds or faster time control(5+5 to 5+12)
>>
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>>Here are the results by mark young:
>>Results:
>>
>>Matches with Bob Hyatt.
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>>Hiarcs7(PII450) Vs. Crafty(Quad Xeon PII 400) Hiarcs7 wins +5 -2 =1 TC
>>10min 20 sec incs.
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>>Server games with Hiarcs7 against Crafty.
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>>TC - Blitz from 5 min 5 sec incs. to 5 min 12 sec. incs.
>>
>>Hiarcs7(PII 450) wins
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>>+28 -5 =7
>>
>>Avg. speed of the crafty's per game was 668 MHz. Most games were against
>>multi-cpu Crafty's.
>>
>>If crafty is not weaker then how do you explain the result of mark young against
>>crafty?
>>
>
>If Crafty is not stronger, how do you explain the higher rating on ICC for
>Crafty? Even at standard, when response time is diminished in importance. There
>is conflicting data here.
>
>I remember the late 80's early 90's when Fritz1 outscored Zarkov 2.5
>significantly in computer-computer matches, but was weaker when playing against
>people. It happened then, and it happens now.
>
>I'm not saying that Crafty *isn't* weaker, just that *I'm* not convinced it is.
>A Single processor Crafty (Mofongo) is over 3050 in blitz on ICC. better then
>*everything* else. How can you conclusively say that Crafty is weaker when it is
>the highest rated *anthing* on ICC?
>
>I've played just about everything out there, and honestly feel that Crafty may
>very well be up there with the best of them.
>
>Chris Dorr
>
>
Case of Mofongo is easy: see it's formula. It does not play computers.... My
experience shows that if you exclude computers from opponent pool your rating
goes some +100-200 points higher... Comparing ratings on icc seem to make sense
only when both handles have same formulas... Now see other crafty clones without
formula restrictions...
Examples are Tryagain (K2-300Mhz; 2656) Razzle(K2-400mhz; 2636),
KillerGrob(PII 450; 2818)....and, for comparison, say junior (Ban): PII-333;
2930 (also without restricting formula)...
>
>
>>Uri
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