Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 09:56:59 12/28/05
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On December 28, 2005 at 12:45:50, Eelco de Groot wrote: >On December 28, 2005 at 11:45:19, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On December 28, 2005 at 11:23:27, Eelco de Groot wrote: >> >>>Sandro, I'll take your word for it that Black is winning :) Right now Qe3 is >>>coming a little closer in the evaluation of Gambit Fruit to f4, f4 is falling >>>just a bit. I'd like to go to 22 ply but hash is long since full, it will >>>probably take a while.. (BTW, OT, I read below a thread that there were once >>>computations done that doubling hash will add 5 to 8 elopoints, Stuart >>>suggesting those are USCF points :), but does this not very much depend on >>>timecontrol and hash quantity? It might be an interesting idea for testing this >>>again with modern hardware and programs, if somebody is willing to invest much >>>hardware time..) >> >>well, the queen is not playing in h3 and needs to be placed in the center to be >>able to support the king and the pawns as well. >> >>Sandro >> > >Hi Sandro, Hi, > >Yes I suppose Qe3 may turn out the best. Centralizing your Queen is sometimes >just as important as centralizing the King in the endgame? It disharmonizes the >three Black pieces, and the Black King seems able to support the three pawns at >the moment, even if the Rook gives checks. This kind of knowledge is needed to be able to find the moves and not a deep search...this is the difference between us (humans) and the computers...Rybka does see this move however... I wish I was a bit better at >endings.. I'm curious if Gambit Fruit will change its mind now at ply 22 even if >it doesn't understand the position completely, if both moves f4 and Qe3 will >climb when the horizons is placed further away, how much the branching factor >will go up with hash full... But then I'll take a look at Rybka-Zappa! > >Pity you didn't win the game against Icarus Sandro! But the tournament looks >like not to be decided anytime soon, and many strong participants! Well, we still have chances...but our main target was to show we are still alive and I think we did so far! We want to win in Torino and we will be able to be ready there! > > Eelco Sandro > >22 ply result in for f4, now at almost +2: > >Best move (22ply): >04:18:20.3 1,95 22 648391681 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Rd5 Ke6 Bg7 Qf7 Bd4 g4 Kc4 f3 Ne4 g3 >Re5+ Kd7+ Kc3 f2 Nxg3 Qf3+ Re3 f1Q Nxf1 Qxf1 Re5 Qf3+ Re3 Qc6+ Kd3 h5 Re1 Qb5+ >Ke4 >2nd move, provisional, 21 ply result: >04:18:20.3 1,23 21 2233027617 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke6 Bd4 Qd3 Rd8 f4 Bb6 Qh7 Bc5 Qc7 Re8+ >Kf5 Rf8+ Kg4 Kc4 Qc6 Rd8 h5 Rd6 Qg2 b3 h4 Re6 > > > > >>> >>>Best move(21 ply): >>>02:04:26.1 1,77 21 509156624 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Rd5 Ke6 Bg7 Qxd5+ Nxd5 Kxd5 Kc2 h5 Bh6 >>>f3 Kd2 g4 Ke3 h4 Bf4 h3 Bc7 Ke6 Kf2 Kf5 Bd6 >>> >>>2nd move (21 ply): >>>02:04:26.2 1,23 21 2233027617 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke6 Bd4 Qd3 Rd8 f4 Bb6 Qh7 Bc5 Qc7 Re8+ >>>Kf5 Rf8+ Kg4 Kc4 Qc6 Rd8 h5 Rd6 Qg2 b3 h4 Re6 >>> >>> Eelco >>> >>>00:00:00.0 0,57 1 149 f4 >>>00:00:00.0 0,29 1 305 Qe3 >>>00:00:00.0 0,69 2 631 f4 Kb4 >>>00:00:00.0 0,29 1 305 Qe3 >>>00:00:00.0 0,69 2 631 f4 Kb4 >>>00:00:00.0 0,31 2 862 Qe3 Rd7+ Kg6 >>>00:00:00.0 0,78 3 1305 f4 Kb4 f3 >>>00:00:00.0 0,31 2 862 Qe3 Rd7+ Kg6 >>>00:00:00.0 0,78 3 1305 f4 Kb4 f3 >>>00:00:00.0 0,53 3 2148 Qe3 Bd4 Qd2 >>>00:00:00.0 0,83 4 4760 f4 Rd6 a5 Bd4 >>>00:00:00.0 0,53 3 2148 Qe3 Bd4 Qd2 >>>00:00:00.0 0,83 4 4760 f4 Rd6 a5 Bd4 >>>00:00:00.0 0,53 4 6731 Qe3 Rd7+ Kg6 Rd6+ Kh5 Re6 >>>00:00:00.0 0,83 4 4760 f4 Rd6 a5 Bd4 >>>00:00:00.0 0,68 4 7898 Ke7 Rd6 Qe3 Bd4 >>>00:00:00.0 0,91 5 13516 f4 Rd6 Qe3 Bh8 h5 Rxa6 >>>00:00:00.0 0,68 4 7898 Ke7 Rd6 Qe3 Bd4 >>>00:00:00.0 0,91 5 13516 f4 Rd6 Qe3 Bh8 h5 Rxa6 >>>00:00:00.0 0,48 5 17114 Ke7 Rd6 Qe3 Bd4 Qd2 >>>00:00:00.1 0,91 5 13516 f4 Rd6 Qe3 Bh8 h5 Rxa6 >>>00:00:00.1 0,74 5 20523 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 >>>00:00:00.1 0,88 6 30080 f4 Rd6 Qe3 Bd4 Qd2 Rf6+ Kg7 Rd6+ Kg8 >>>00:00:00.1 0,74 5 20523 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 >>>00:00:00.1 0,88 6 30080 f4 Rd6 Qe3 Bd4 Qd2 Rf6+ Kg7 Rd6+ Kg8 >>>00:00:00.1 0,75 6 39036 Qe3 Bd4 Qe7 Rd5 f4 Rf5+ Kg6 >>>00:00:00.2 0,80 7 73776 f4 Rd6 f3 Bd4 a5 Rf6+ Ke8 Nd5 >>>00:00:00.2 0,75 6 39036 Qe3 Bd4 Qe7 Rd5 f4 Rf5+ Kg6 >>>00:00:00.2 0,81 7 90771 Qe3 Bd4 Qe7 Rd5 f4 Bc5 Qe6 >>>00:00:00.2 0,75 6 39036 Qe3 Bd4 Qe7 Rd5 f4 Rf5+ Kg6 >>>00:00:00.2 0,81 7 90771 Qe3 Bd4 Qe7 Rd5 f4 Bc5 Qe6 >>>00:00:00.2 0,80 7 100280 f4 Rd6 f3 Bd4 a5 Rf6+ Ke8 Nd5 >>>00:00:00.3 0,83 8 137852 Qe3 Bd4 Qe7 Rd5 f4 Rf5+ Kg8 Kc2 h5 >>>00:00:00.3 0,80 7 100280 f4 Rd6 f3 Bd4 a5 Rf6+ Ke8 Nd5 >>>00:00:00.4 0,83 8 137852 Qe3 Bd4 Qe7 Rd5 f4 Rf5+ Kg8 Kc2 h5 >>>00:00:00.4 0,77 8 219551 f4 Rd6 f3 Bd4 a5 Rf6+ Ke8 Bb6 Qh4 Bxa5 >>>00:00:00.6 0,86 9 393120 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Re5 Qc6 Rf5+ Kg8 >>>00:00:00.6 0,77 8 219551 f4 Rd6 f3 Bd4 a5 Rf6+ Ke8 Bb6 Qh4 Bxa5 >>>00:00:01.0 0,92 9 675340 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 >>>00:00:01.0 0,86 9 393120 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Re5 Qc6 Rf5+ Kg8 >>>00:00:01.2 0,96 10 830214 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kg7 >>>Ra7+ Kf6 >>>00:00:01.2 0,86 9 393120 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Re5 Qc6 Rf5+ Kg8 >>>00:00:01.4 0,96 10 830214 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kg7 >>>Ra7+ Kf6 >>>00:00:01.5 0,86 10 1027937 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Re5 Qc6 Rf5+ Kg8 >>>00:00:01.8 0,94 11 1314778 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kg7 >>>Ra7+ Kf6 Ra6+ Ke7 >>>00:00:01.8 0,86 10 1027937 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Re5 Qc6 Rf5+ Kg8 >>>00:00:02.9 1,00 11 2211290 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Re5 Qc4 Bc5 f3 >>>00:00:02.9 0,94 11 1314778 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kg7 >>>Ra7+ Kf6 Ra6+ Ke7 >>>00:00:03.7 0,99 12 2899023 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Kd2 f3 Re5 Qg4 >>>Kd3 >>>00:00:03.7 0,94 11 1314778 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kg7 >>>Ra7+ Kf6 Ra6+ Ke7 >>>00:00:05.0 1,03 12 3965267 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kh5 >>>Rd6 >>>00:00:05.0 0,94 11 1314778 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kg7 >>>Ra7+ Kf6 Ra6+ Ke7 >>>00:00:05.2 1,03 12 3965267 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kh5 >>>Rd6 >>>00:00:05.2 0,99 12 4119140 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Kd2 f3 Re5 Qg4 >>>Kd3 >>>00:00:09.2 1,22 13 7355024 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Kc4 Qe6+ >>>Kd3 h3 >>>00:00:09.2 0,99 12 4119140 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 Kf7 Kd2 f3 Re5 Qg4 >>>Kd3 >>>00:00:11.9 1,22 13 7355024 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Kc4 Qe6+ >>>Kd3 h3 >>>00:00:11.9 1,00 13 9692711 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 f3 Kd3 Qh3 Re5+ Kf7 >>>Ke3 Qd7 Ne4 >>>00:00:19.0 1,29 14 15825321 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kh5 >>>Ra8 h3 Rh8+ Kg4 >>>00:00:19.0 1,00 13 9692711 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 f3 Kd3 Qh3 Re5+ Kf7 >>>Ke3 Qd7 Ne4 >>>00:00:22.2 1,29 14 15825321 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kh5 >>>Ra8 h3 Rh8+ Kg4 >>>00:00:22.2 0,97 14 18635337 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 f3 Kd3 Qh3 Ke3 Qg2 >>>Rf5 g4 Ne4 >>>00:00:50.3 1,38 15 43065970 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kh5 >>>Rd6 h3 Rd5 Qf4 >>>00:00:50.3 0,97 14 18635337 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 f3 Kd3 Qh3 Ke3 Qg2 >>>Rf5 g4 Ne4 >>>00:00:59.9 1,38 15 43065970 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kh5 >>>Rd6 h3 Rd5 Qf4 >>>00:00:59.9 0,96 15 51481966 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 f3 Kd3 Kf7 Rc5 Kg6 >>>Ne4 g4 Rc7 h5 >>>00:01:44.3 1,41 16 90524136 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kh5 >>>Rd6 h3 Rd5 Qf4 Kc2 >>>00:01:44.3 0,96 15 51481966 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 f3 Kd3 Kf7 Rc5 Kg6 >>>Ne4 g4 Rc7 h5 >>>00:02:10.7 1,41 16 90524136 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Bf2 h5 Rxa6 h4 Ra7+ Kg6 Ra6+ Kh5 >>>Rd6 h3 Rd5 Qf4 Kc2 >>>00:02:10.7 0,92 16 113663252 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 f3 Kd3 Kf7 Re5 Qh3 >>>Ke4 Qg4+ Kd3 Qg2 Rf5+ Kg6 Rf6+ Kh5 >>>00:07:09.2 1,46 17 371445675 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Rd5 Qe6 Bf2 h5 Kc2 Qg6+ Kd2 g4 >>>Bc5 g3 Rd7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 Ne4 >>>00:07:09.2 0,92 16 113663252 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke8 Bd4 Qe6+ Rd5 f4 Kc2 f3 Kd3 Kf7 Re5 Qh3 >>>Ke4 Qg4+ Kd3 Qg2 Rf5+ Kg6 Rf6+ Kh5 >>>00:07:48.5 1,46 17 371445675 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Rd5 Qe6 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Qe3 Rd7+ Ke6 Bd4 Qd3 Rd8 f4 Bb6 Qh7 Kc4 f3 Bc5 Qf5 >>>Rd6+ Kf7 Bf2 Qc8+ Kd3 h5 Nd5 g4 Rf6+ Kg7 >>>00:47:32.5 1,84 20 2404029444 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Rd5 Qe6 Bc5 h5 Ka3 g4 Bf2 Kg6 >>>Kb3 Qe7 Ra5 Qf6 Nd5 Qd6 Bd4 >>>00:47:32.5 1,08 19 1326075870 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke6 Bd4 Qd3 Rd8 f4 Bb6 Qh7 Kc4 f3 Bc5 Qf5 >>>Rd6+ Kf7 Bf2 Qc8+ Kd3 h5 Nd5 g4 Rf6+ Kg7 >>>01:05:05.8 1,84 20 2404029444 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Bd4 f3 Rd5 Qe6 Bc5 h5 Ka3 g4 Bf2 Kg6 >>>Kb3 Qe7 Ra5 Qf6 Nd5 Qd6 Bd4 >>>01:05:05.9 1,16 20 3339830673 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke6 Bd4 Qd3 Rd8 f4 Bb6 Qh7 Kc4 f3 Bc5 Qf5 >>>Rd6+ Kf7 Rd8 Kg6 Rg8+ Kh5 Rf8 Qe6+ Nd5 Qe2+ Kc3 Qe5+ Kc4 Qe4+ Bd4 Qc2+ Kb4 >>>01:32:07.5 1,77 21 509156624 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Rd5 Ke6 Bg7 Qxd5+ Nxd5 Kxd5 Kc2 h5 Bh6 >>>f3 Kd2 g4 Ke3 h4 Bf4 h3 Bc7 Ke6 Kf2 Kf5 Bd6 >>>01:32:07.5 1,16 20 3339830673 Qe3 Rd7+ Ke6 Bd4 Qd3 Rd8 f4 Bb6 Qh7 Kc4 f3 Bc5 Qf5 >>>Rd6+ Kf7 Rd8 Kg6 Rg8+ Kh5 Rf8 Qe6+ Nd5 Qe2+ Kc3 Qe5+ Kc4 Qe4+ Bd4 Qc2+ Kb4 >>>02:04:26.1 1,77 21 509156624 f4 Rd6 Qf5 Rd5 Ke6 Bg7 Qxd5+ Nxd5 Kxd5 Kc2 h5 Bh6 >>>f3 Kd2 g4 Ke3 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