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Subject: Re: Is Deep Shredder 9 playing on a Power Mac G5 In Paderborn ?

Author: George Sobala

Date: 05:11:31 12/29/05

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On December 29, 2005 at 04:32:18, enrico carrisco wrote:

>On December 29, 2005 at 03:34:03, George Sobala wrote:
>
>>On December 29, 2005 at 01:40:17, enrico carrisco wrote:
>>
>>>On December 29, 2005 at 00:13:49, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is Deep Shredder 9 playing on a Power Mac G5 In Paderborn? If this is the case
>>>>and Deep Shredder win, how many people really use a Mac G5 Machines?
>>>>
>>>>Jorge
>>>
>>>It plays on a Quad G5 2.5GHz Mac.
>>>
>>>I do not believe winning Paderborn would persuade computer chess users to switch
>>>to a Mac as they are more expensive than their PC alternatives.
>>
>>Wrong. I have an Apple Quad. Find me 10GHz of PC processing power for less,
>>please.
>
>I was not talking about Quad systems in regards to someone purchasing a new
>chess playing machine based on Paderborn results.  I would assume most would be
>considering single CPU or dual core options as they are more
>reasonable/affordable in price.  I think it is a very special situation in that
>a computer chess enthusiast purchases a quad machine specifically for chess.
>
>Consider the entry level dual core G5 2.3GHz for $2,499.00.  For under $1,400
>you can find a dual core X2 AMD A64 2.4GHz machine (for example:
>http://www.unitedmicro.com/cgi-bin/sysw.cgi?352204314)
>
>As far as your "10GHz of PC processing power", I think you will find that
>compared to an Opteron in chess, you are probably getting 8GHz at best, and
>probably closer to 7.5GHz.  As far as price?  The entry level dual, dual core G5
>2.5GHz is $3,299.00 from Apple.  If you assembled the Opteron system yourself,
>you could spend around the same amount or less.  I didn't search the net for a
>pre-assembled Opteron dual, dual core system but I would imagine that if you
>bargain shopped, you'd be in the same ballpark on price (purchasing like
>components to the G5 setup and using Opteron 275 dual cores at the most, since I
>am quite confident that Opteron 280s would be 20%+ faster...)
>
>I have sent you an email asking for a benchmark of your system.  We should be
>able to nail down a pretty good estimate of the difference between the G5 and
>Opteron for chess after I receive that from you.
>
>Regards,
>
>-elc.

 I agree with you about Opteron v G5 differences in what a GHz actually does.
The Opteron is undoubtedly much better for chess.

In terms of UK pricing I have tried going to www.dnuk.com (excellent makers of
heavy duty PC workstations at competitive prices).

I get the following quote for a 2x dual-core 1.8GHz (265) Opteron with same
memory, graphics card, hard disk and DVD drive specs as the base Apple Quad. I
have added Windows XP Pro 64-bit rather than Linux.

4x1.8GHz Opteron: GBP 2547.00 (GBP 2869 for 4x270 2.0GHz and GBP 3294 for 4x275
2.2GHz)
Apple Quad: GBP 2299.01

Now if you are in education you can get the Apple Quad for GBP 2115, and an even
greater discount (around GBP 2050) if you are at a university with an Apple
deal.

Remember that with Apple you get a lot extra thrown in as well: robust operating
system with an excellent GUI, numerous useful apps included and top quality
engineering. Please don't compare this with a homebrew system, it is like
comparing a Ferrari with a kit car. Linux is ok if you have a planned single
function for your computer, if you want to use multiple professional apps I'm
afraid you must go with MS or Apple. I used to run three Linux and BSD systems
before switching, so I do have experience.



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