Author: George Sobala
Date: 05:11:31 12/29/05
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On December 29, 2005 at 04:32:18, enrico carrisco wrote: >On December 29, 2005 at 03:34:03, George Sobala wrote: > >>On December 29, 2005 at 01:40:17, enrico carrisco wrote: >> >>>On December 29, 2005 at 00:13:49, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>Is Deep Shredder 9 playing on a Power Mac G5 In Paderborn? If this is the case >>>>and Deep Shredder win, how many people really use a Mac G5 Machines? >>>> >>>>Jorge >>> >>>It plays on a Quad G5 2.5GHz Mac. >>> >>>I do not believe winning Paderborn would persuade computer chess users to switch >>>to a Mac as they are more expensive than their PC alternatives. >> >>Wrong. I have an Apple Quad. Find me 10GHz of PC processing power for less, >>please. > >I was not talking about Quad systems in regards to someone purchasing a new >chess playing machine based on Paderborn results. I would assume most would be >considering single CPU or dual core options as they are more >reasonable/affordable in price. I think it is a very special situation in that >a computer chess enthusiast purchases a quad machine specifically for chess. > >Consider the entry level dual core G5 2.3GHz for $2,499.00. For under $1,400 >you can find a dual core X2 AMD A64 2.4GHz machine (for example: >http://www.unitedmicro.com/cgi-bin/sysw.cgi?352204314) > >As far as your "10GHz of PC processing power", I think you will find that >compared to an Opteron in chess, you are probably getting 8GHz at best, and >probably closer to 7.5GHz. As far as price? The entry level dual, dual core G5 >2.5GHz is $3,299.00 from Apple. If you assembled the Opteron system yourself, >you could spend around the same amount or less. I didn't search the net for a >pre-assembled Opteron dual, dual core system but I would imagine that if you >bargain shopped, you'd be in the same ballpark on price (purchasing like >components to the G5 setup and using Opteron 275 dual cores at the most, since I >am quite confident that Opteron 280s would be 20%+ faster...) > >I have sent you an email asking for a benchmark of your system. We should be >able to nail down a pretty good estimate of the difference between the G5 and >Opteron for chess after I receive that from you. > >Regards, > >-elc. I agree with you about Opteron v G5 differences in what a GHz actually does. The Opteron is undoubtedly much better for chess. In terms of UK pricing I have tried going to www.dnuk.com (excellent makers of heavy duty PC workstations at competitive prices). I get the following quote for a 2x dual-core 1.8GHz (265) Opteron with same memory, graphics card, hard disk and DVD drive specs as the base Apple Quad. I have added Windows XP Pro 64-bit rather than Linux. 4x1.8GHz Opteron: GBP 2547.00 (GBP 2869 for 4x270 2.0GHz and GBP 3294 for 4x275 2.2GHz) Apple Quad: GBP 2299.01 Now if you are in education you can get the Apple Quad for GBP 2115, and an even greater discount (around GBP 2050) if you are at a university with an Apple deal. Remember that with Apple you get a lot extra thrown in as well: robust operating system with an excellent GUI, numerous useful apps included and top quality engineering. Please don't compare this with a homebrew system, it is like comparing a Ferrari with a kit car. Linux is ok if you have a planned single function for your computer, if you want to use multiple professional apps I'm afraid you must go with MS or Apple. I used to run three Linux and BSD systems before switching, so I do have experience.
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