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Subject: Re: So why *does* Fritz beat Crafty?

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 05:22:12 03/30/99

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On March 29, 1999 at 13:33:20, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:

>I think it is important to look at several things here:
>
>1. I am not convinced that the best programs really *are* thet much better than
>Crafty. In computer-computer tests, the others may well fare better, but in
>playing humans, I think it may be a different story. I for one (A weak USCF
>Master) honestly feel that Crafty is about as strong as Fritz5. I can't tell the
>difference, perhaps because they are both so much better than me. And if they
>are that much better than me, imaging how much stronger they *both* are to the
>average player (c. USCF 1400-1500). To a 1500, there is *no* strength difference
>between a 2500 and a 2550.
>
>2. Even on a single processor machine, Crafty is better than just about all the
>other programs (and humans too) at speed, on ICC. Mofongo (A single processor
>Crafty 16.6 running on normal, albeit somewhat high-end equipment) is currently
>rated 3072 at blitz. This is higher than CM6000, Fritz 5.32, Ferret, etc. At
>least at blitz, Crafty can make a very good claim for being as strong or
>stronger than everything else in the world.
>
>3. Crafty is designed to be SMP. To say it's not fair to state that Crafty on a
>Quad Xeon is better than Fritz on a single PIII is the same as saying that it's
>not fair that Deep Blue runs on a specially designed computer. If the question
>is what's the best, a very valid way of looking at is to measure their
>performance on their optimal machine. Crafty's optimal machine is a Quad Xeon or
>PIII, while Fritz's is a single PIII 500.On these optimal machines, I honestly
>doubt Fritz's superiority.
>
>In short, I believe the premise of this thread is somewhat flawed. Crafty has
>not (against humans) been demonstrated to be significantly weaker than anything
>else, especially at speed. If this question is rephrased as "Why is Crafty
>weaker than Fritz (or Rebel or whatever) at 40/2 on a single processor system
>agains humans?" or "Why doesn't Crafty fare as well against computers as it's
>anti-human blitz rating would suggest", I believe that we can answer these
>questions. As the question is currently phrased, I don't think we can answer
>this well.
>
>Chris Dorr

Hello Chris,
How can you be sure that Fritz is only a single processor program?  Crafty is
BOTH a single and a multiple.  I can only compare the single to the single.  My
results are below.  But if you look at the Chessbase/Germany site you see that
Fritz has played on a Siemans Nixdorf Primergy 460 which is a dual PII 333 mhz
machine with 256M per processor.  They claim it filled 200-300 Meg of hash
tables during each move.  So somewhere there exist a multiprocessor Fritz.  It
may not be commercial yet but don't bet on it staying that way.

My latest Blitz results: (Game/10)

   Program       Fritz rating   No. games played      Gauged +129
1. Fritz 5.32        2471           183                  2600
2. Junior 5.0        2420           223                  2549
3. Nimzo 99          2354           261                  2483
4. Crafty 16.6       2324           274                  2453
5. Crafty 16.5       2291           277                  2420
6. Comet B00         2238           344                  2367

In the last 62 games Crafty 16.6 lost to Junior 34 to 28.  This dropped Junior
down and raised Crafty 16.6 up 33 points above the Crafty 16.5.  I don't know if
Crafty 16.6 is tuned better against Junior or it's just a fluke but more games
will follow.

Jim Walker



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