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Subject: Re: New endgame testpos n:o 17

Author: Joseph Ciarrochi

Date: 12:14:16 12/29/05

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Thanks for all your work on this. This test suite certainly produces interesting
positions. So far i think the suite is good for illustating key endgame themes
for us humans, and, it can diagnos some flaws in engine evaluation (as you
illustrated in earlier post with rybka).

I think the simple test of the sensitivity of the suite will be to pit the
current rybka against the future rybka that has endgame knowledge . We should
see the future rybka 1.2 do quite well against its old self

If people where willing to help out with using the testsuite, we could get the
numbers up to do sensitivity analysis (similar to test analysis in psychology).
This would involve looking at how success on some items tend to cluster with
success on other items (e.g. maybe 3 or four items are good at picking up
misevaluation in pawn structure).  We could also determine whether some items
are insensitive to endgame engine differences (i.e., success on those items will
not correlate with success on other endgame items, or with engine strength based
on cegt)

anyway, let's keep it going.

best
joseph


best
Joseph

On December 29, 2005 at 13:27:23, Sune Larsson wrote:

>Position 17 was removed and a new one is added - to make the total of 20 pos.
>The first 9 are from Nunn - the following 11 are my own adds.
>
>8/1ppr1kp1/p1p4p/8/8/5P2/PPP1RKPP/8 w - - 0 1
>8/1pk3pp/p7/3p1p2/3K4/6P1/PP2PP1P/8 b - - 0 1
>8/4k3/r4pp1/pR6/P4KP1/5P2/8/8 w - - 0 1
>8/p1p1k3/1p1p2p1/3Pq2p/2P1P3/1P3QPK/P7/8 w - - 0 1
>8/p3ppk1/1p4pp/3nN3/6PP/1P3P2/P3PK2/8 w - - 0 1
>7k/pp4pp/2n5/8/8/P7/1P4PP/2K1B3 b - - 0 1
>8/8/p4Bp1/1pPb2P1/1P2kp2/P7/5K2/8 w - - 0 1
>8/4k3/p1B4p/2K5/1P4bP/8/8/8 b - - 0 1
>3R4/1p6/2b5/2P1k2p/p3p2P/P6r/1P2KB2/8 b - - 0 1
>
>
>8/5b2/1k2p1p1/2NpP1P1/1K1P4/8/8/8 w - - 0 1
>8/5p1k/r5pp/P7/3R3P/6P1/5PK1/8 w - - 0 1
>4b3/5k2/4p1p1/3pP2p/2pP1P1P/2P5/6N1/2K5 w - - 0 1
>8/1p1b2k1/p1p1p1p1/2P1P2p/1P3P1P/P2B4/5K2/8 w - - 0 1
>6k1/2p3np/1p1p2p1/3P4/1PPK1R2/6PB/7P/4r3 w - - 0 1
>1n6/4k2p/p3ppp1/1pPp4/3P1PP1/3NP3/P3K2P/8 w - - 0 1
>3r4/7p/Rp4k1/5p2/4p3/2P5/PP3P1P/5K2 b - - 0 1
>6k1/p2b1ppp/8/8/3N4/1P5P/5PP1/6K1 b - - 0 1
>2r5/1p1k1p2/p2p2p1/P1PPnp1p/1P1K1N1P/5P2/4R1P1/8 w - - 0 1
>8/6b1/4k2p/p1p1p1p1/2P1K1P1/PP3N1P/8/8 w - - 0 1
>2r3k1/4pp1p/3p2p1/p2R4/1r6/1P4P1/P3PP1P/R5K1 b - - 0 1
>
>The new one is an old celebrated ending Stoltz-Kashdan, 1928. It shows the
>bishop's superiority over the knight, in an ending with pawns on both wings.
>It's considered won for black. Fairly basic - but the test is to find out
>whether the engines can handle these basic endings well or not.
>
>
>[D]6k1/p2b1ppp/8/8/3N4/1P5P/5PP1/6K1 b - - 0 1
>
>
>/S



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