Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 18:48:44 03/30/99
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On March 30, 1999 at 08:18:33, Christopher R. Dorr wrote: >But isn't this the point? When I hear someone say 'program X is the strongest >there is." I generally understand this to mean *agains humans*. To me, 10,000 >games of Fritz vs. Crafty don't mean nearly as much as 100 games of Patrick >Wolff vs. Crafty. Against humans, Crafty has demonstrated itself to be right up >there with the *very best*, at least at blitz. I believe 'Why does Crafty score >poorly against Fritz?' and 'Why is Crafty weaker [against humans, or even >against a wide variety of opponents, including both humans and comps] than >Fritz, if indeed it is so?" to be two very different questions. If I set my thing up to only play 3 0 against GM's its rating would go through the roof. Mofongo's rating was 2997 before it played a 3 0 match with Garompon. You wonder why this guy's formula says "!blitz" now? He knows he's at a peak and he wants to sit on top of the list for a while. The point is not that Mofongo does well against humans, it is that it is *only* playing humans and it is *only* playing at extremely advantageous time controls. What you are seeing is a kid with a hot computer and the desire to maximize rating via formula variables. Have you stopped to wonder why the rating of "crafty" is lower despite having 4x as much horsepower? >>formula restrictions... >> Examples are Tryagain (K2-300Mhz; 2656) Razzle(K2-400mhz; 2636), >>KillerGrob(PII 450; 2818)....and, for comparison, say junior (Ban): PII-333; >>2930 (also without restricting formula)... >> > >And again, the Grand Daddy of all Crafties 'Crafty' has set a rating record of >3177 at blitz, better than *any human* or *any computer*, and it does play >computers. It's currently hanging out at around 3000. It won 16 games of 5 0 in a row against a suicidal IM, after having a nice run against a few computers. It started out at 3077 against the IM and picked up a hundred points. Fine, nothing wrong with this, but it proves nothing, either. >And you might say that it isn't a fair comparison because it's on a quad Xeon. >But toss Fritz on a quad....you'll get no improvement. So this arguments is >basically saying that we should compare Fritz on it's optimum system (some >PIII500), but not Crafty. Answered in other posts. >If the argument still is that Crafty is weaker than the commercials, I am still >not convinced. Can't compare via these means. bruce
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