Author: Ernst Walet
Date: 10:50:09 12/31/05
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On December 31, 2005 at 12:58:43, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On December 31, 2005 at 05:59:41, Ernst Walet wrote: > >>On December 31, 2005 at 05:39:36, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On December 31, 2005 at 03:52:29, Ernst Walet wrote: >>> >>>>On December 30, 2005 at 20:29:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 30, 2005 at 19:16:07, Ernest Bonnem wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Who can give an answer? >>>>>>Vas? >>>>>>Ernst? >>>>>>anybody else knows? >>>>> >>>>>I think that it is trivial. >>>>> >>>>>It is dangerous to play with an untested version. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Rybka beta was tested heavily by the CEGT team and other people. >>>>>Rybka Preview is a new version and still was not tested enough. >>>>> >>>> >>>>This was exacly the reason why Vasik choose to pplay with the beta version. >>>> >>>> >>>>>A more interesting question is why the opponents resigned against rybka and did >>>>>not continue until mate because it is known that rybka has a bug that may cause >>>>>it problems to win won positions because it does not care about distance to >>>>>mate. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Let me say that the reason why others didn't want to try Rybka's mating >>>>capabilities has everything to do with the friendly atmosphere in wich the >>>>tournament took place. >>> >>>Ok, this is absolutely fine! But then it's wrong to read something too deep into >>>the results. But we had this before. Shredder could only win Graz because it got >>>a full point (instead of the half point from the draw) from Jonny. Just to make >>>this very clear. IMO the whole involvement of operators / programmers, who then >>>want to be nice and noble, is out-dated and a fair internet event has a clear >>>sportive advantage. You can't have both! >>> >>>- A gentleman-like ambience with faulty arbiter decisions but overall love and >>>friendship between operators (who are doing a job that a decent machine should >>>be able to do on its own!) who then want to have fun on Thursday evening and in >>>always the same hotels or... >>> >>>- A real and sportive competition with the absolute domination of the programs >>>plus machines on their own and results that have some meaning and significance. >>> >>>Just to avoid a typical misunderstanding, I want to add that to prove the class >>>of Rybka nobody had needed such an exhibition. And I am really astonished how >>>the description of the details of proceduring in Paderborn decreased the meaning >>>of the results we discussed so heatedly here on CCC and I am possibly the only >>>one to comment on the apparent split. How could we dare to discuss so deeply >>>certain moves of particular games if for example in Paderborn an agreement >>>prevented any attempts to go into "dirty" mode - which is part of every modern >>>sport?! I had the impression that we here made a proxy competition in debating >>>things out of a so-called real life competition held in cotton-wool gloves... ;) >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>The bug was no problem in CEGT because the interface adjudicates the result >>>>>based on evaluations but it could be a problem in real games. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>Ernst. >> >>Ok you are probably right about this, and perhap there will be a dirty mode >>competition at the next WCCC. But then again when this would be at hand I >>wouldn't be operating any competitive program at all LOL. Maybe i was too naive >>to see no problem doing this at Paderborn and won't be doing it again in the >>future. >> >>Food for thought. >> >>I would have no problem if others tried to exploid Rybka's weaknesses and >>honestly I expected it to happen. >> >>Ernst. > > >Thanks for your honest answer. And I hope that you know that I never aimed at >YOU personally. Your engagement this time was high-classed for all of us. And >almost everyone had fun to follow the games if time was available. I always like >to point at something basical. Yes I know, no harm done.
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