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Subject: Re: Rybka blitz results slightly disturbing

Author: Norm Pollock

Date: 15:36:23 12/31/05

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On December 31, 2005 at 17:42:24, Premraj Natarajan wrote:

>On December 31, 2005 at 13:53:12, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On December 31, 2005 at 12:05:01, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On December 31, 2005 at 11:38:01, Norm Pollock wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 31, 2005 at 10:03:42, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>> The
>>>>"Beta" version of Rybka gets better results, and the "proof" is that the vast
>>>>majority of engines on playchess use the "Beta".
>>>
>>>haha  -- That is proof.   If you want to see how people feel about something -
>>>see which side they take they put their money on the line ...or in this case
>>>rating points!
>>
>>Sorry but I don't follow your comments.  I suspect that more people use the Beta
>>version on Playchess because it was obtained free and more people have it.  But
>>with more comments like mine above it is a disturbing trend to see the Elo
>>dropping with "newer" versions.  I guess if it's only affecting the blitz
>>ratings that's probably acceptable to the author.  He seems more interested in
>>creating an analysis tool which works better at long time controls.  If this
>>trend continues, I will be stuck with a beta version that has no opening book
>>and very poor endgame play since I'm only interested in blitz games.
>
>when i play 5+0 game in playchess i noticed when Beta 7 or Preview 2 had 2min
>left was playing bit faster like pushing the moves so there "may be" bug so i
>hope Vasik Rajlich looks into that.
>
>Raj

I don't have Beta7 but with Preview and Preview 2 I noticed that Rybka was
playing faster in blitz (5'+0"), and ratings went down. I tried using "Slow" but
that didn't help. I get my best results with "Beta". I hope Vasik looks into
this situation.

As for my "claim" that popularity on playchess is "proof", let me just say that
it was only meant to be supportive of my argument. It certainly is not
conclusive direct proof. Imho, the majority of people on playchess want to win
badly. They will switch to a new engine the moment it comes out and cost is not
an issue. Just look at their hardware. I'm sure that $$$ is not an issue. The
fact, as I see it, is that "Beta" is at this moment in time, the best engine out
there.



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