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Subject: Re: Is Rybka in reality endgame Expert?!

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 12:53:47 01/01/06

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On January 01, 2006 at 14:03:15, David Dahlem wrote:

>On January 01, 2006 at 02:53:42, Sune Larsson wrote:
>
>>On December 31, 2005 at 21:17:47, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:
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>>>One possibility is that rybka does not have specific endgame knowledge, but its
>>>general chess knowledge is quite applicable to the endgame?
>>>
>>>It seems like rybka is one version away from being the best at analyzing
>>>endgames? or am i too optimistic?
>>
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>>  Exciting future to come...Rybka is the crowned bullet master from rumours
>>  I've heard....so relatively better in endings at short time control....
>>  relatively - compared to other engines.
>>
>>  But I close my eyes for games in blitz tempo. Two games from the pos 1
>>  in the suite - 40 moves in 5 minutes - were enough. Rook ending and the
>>  level of play was...huh... not good...
>>
>>  With some more 40-games matches, using the endgame suite, we can study more
>>  details - which engine seems to handle the rook ending best? How about
>>  the theme "good knight vs bad bishop"? etc. Interesting.
>>
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>>  To keep in mind - or on paper - the following positions are documented and
>>  verfied *won* for white/black - and highly unbalanced - even if some engines
>>  don't recognize it...
>>
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>>  Won positions: N:o 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19
>>
>>  Draw position: N:o 16  (black draws with activity only - 1.- Rd2!)
>>
>>  Slightly better for black: N:o 20 (the double rook ending by Andersson)
>>
>>  Unclear position: N:o 18 (the bishop pair vs pair of knights + an extra pawn)
>>
>>
>>  1-9 are the NunnE positions.
>>
>>
>>  /S
>
>I think there is an error in position 2. It appears the white king has been
>moved as suggested as a possible move by Nunn in his annotation. But it's not
>the correct position in his endgame suite. :-)
>
>Regards
>Dave


 We sure need observant eyes around here ;-) This doesn't change the outcome
 of games played - since 1.Kd4 is the obvious move for white - but it is
 corrected!

 /S


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>>>On December 31, 2005 at 17:02:13, Jouni Uski wrote:
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>>>>I played 60/5 level match from Sune's positions:
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>>>>1   Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit   0½½0½½½11½½½01100110½0½010½½½½1½½½111½½0  20.5/40
>>>>2   Fritz 9                 1½½1½½½00½½½10011001½1½101½½½½0½½½000½½1  19.5/40
>>>>
>>>>Hmm?!?!? "No endgame knowledge". Quite modest!
>>>>
>>>>Jouni



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