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Subject: Re: the tortoise and the hare: yace versus rybka in endgame test

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:48:31 01/02/06

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On January 01, 2006 at 12:41:55, Keith Hyams wrote:

>On January 01, 2006 at 06:29:00, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:
>
>>Yace is reputed to be an excellent endgame engine and indeed beat a better
>>engine (anmon) solidly (+6 after 40 games) in the endgame test
>>
>>yace is about 300 points weaker than rybka, so i thought it would be a great to
>>see if it could upset this top engine.  Well , yace made a pretty good contest
>>of it, but lost in the end. Yace had 9 wins, 14 losses, and 17 draws (40 min
>>with 4 sec increment). Yace played much better than expected given the 300
>>rating point disparity. Also, Rybka was getting between 2 to 5 play deaper than
>>poor old yace, so it is pretty amazing that yace got 44% of the points
>
>Mr Rajlich has pointed out that the currently available versions of Rybka do not
>have endgame knowledge programmed into the .exe file.

This is not correct.

They clearly have endgame knowledge otherwise rybka could not beat yace or trace
in the endgame competition.


 It therefore does not
>surprise me that Rybka does not play the Endgame well.

It is not correct.
Rybka plays the endgame well and clearly better than most programs.


 The strength of Rybka
>lies in it's handling of the middle game.

Not only in this stage.

See the last tournament when Rybka beated Ikarus in the endgame and saved a draw
from lost endgame against Shredder.

The strength of Rybka is in all stages of the game(the advantage relative to the
top programs is in the middle game but being a top program in the endgame is not
easy and Rybka already achieved it).


 Version 2, currently planned as a
>release on Feb. 1st, will have endgame knowledge integrated.

Version 2 will probably have more endgame knowledge but the version of today
still has a lot of endgame knowledge.
Enough knowledge to be at similiar level to the top programs.

I guess that Rybka1.2 is going to have enough knowledge to be significantly
stronger than the top programs also in the endgame.

Uri



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