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Subject: Re: the tortoise and the hare: yace versus rybka in endgame test

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 06:23:54 01/02/06

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On January 02, 2006 at 05:48:31, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 01, 2006 at 12:41:55, Keith Hyams wrote:
>
>>On January 01, 2006 at 06:29:00, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:
>>
>>>Yace is reputed to be an excellent endgame engine and indeed beat a better
>>>engine (anmon) solidly (+6 after 40 games) in the endgame test
>>>
>>>yace is about 300 points weaker than rybka, so i thought it would be a great to
>>>see if it could upset this top engine.  Well , yace made a pretty good contest
>>>of it, but lost in the end. Yace had 9 wins, 14 losses, and 17 draws (40 min
>>>with 4 sec increment). Yace played much better than expected given the 300
>>>rating point disparity. Also, Rybka was getting between 2 to 5 play deaper than
>>>poor old yace, so it is pretty amazing that yace got 44% of the points
>>
>>Mr Rajlich has pointed out that the currently available versions of Rybka do not
>>have endgame knowledge programmed into the .exe file.
>
>This is not correct.
>
>They clearly have endgame knowledge otherwise rybka could not beat yace or trace
>in the endgame competition.
>
>
> It therefore does not
>>surprise me that Rybka does not play the Endgame well.
>
>It is not correct.
>Rybka plays the endgame well and clearly better than most programs.
>
>
> The strength of Rybka
>>lies in it's handling of the middle game.
>
>Not only in this stage.
>
>See the last tournament when Rybka beated Ikarus in the endgame and saved a draw
>from lost endgame against Shredder.
>
>The strength of Rybka is in all stages of the game(the advantage relative to the
>top programs is in the middle game but being a top program in the endgame is not
>easy and Rybka already achieved it).
>
>
> Version 2, currently planned as a
>>release on Feb. 1st, will have endgame knowledge integrated.
>
>Version 2 will probably have more endgame knowledge but the version of today
>still has a lot of endgame knowledge.
>Enough knowledge to be at similiar level to the top programs.



>
>I guess that Rybka1.2 is going to have enough knowledge to be significantly
>stronger than the top programs also in the endgame.
>
>Uri


 It will be interesting to test Rybka 1.2 with the Endgame suite. Vasik was not
 at all satisfied with the games Rybka 1.01 played in this test.

 /S



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