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Subject: Re: Polyglot

Author: David Dahlem

Date: 15:27:44 01/02/06

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On January 02, 2006 at 18:01:55, Günther Simon wrote:

>On January 02, 2006 at 17:10:02, David Dahlem wrote:
>
>>On January 02, 2006 at 11:34:04, Günther Simon wrote:
>>
>>>On January 02, 2006 at 11:26:01, David Dahlem wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 11:07:34, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 11:00:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 10:27:27, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 10:01:23, phili_ppe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 02:32:23, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi Aloisio
>>>>>>>>>I have not idea but do not understand why
>>>>>>>>>you should want to use Polyglot/Winboard.
>>>>>>>>>Try the fine and free Arena-GUI available at
>>>>>>>>>http://www.playwitharena.com/ which is the
>>>>>>>>>best GUI for UCI-/Winboard engines in my
>>>>>>>>>opinion.
>>>>>>>>>Best regards
>>>>>>>>>Kurt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>>>I use Polyglot for UCI engines for Toga & Rybka but I have noticed the nodes per
>>>>>>>>seconds and the search depth  decrease dramaticly with a UCI2WB adaptator.
>>>>>>>>Engine -> Polyglot -> Winboard -> Polyglot ->engine
>>>>>>>>All these ways weaken too much the uci engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's wrong. You probably just mean the _display_ in WB which _seems_
>>>>>>>to be decreased (because of a lot of output from UCI engines for the
>>>>>>>first 4 plies). If you look into the debug files you will see that
>>>>>>>your assumption was wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Guenther
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Hi Guenther
>>>>>>      I have never used Polyglot and am sure you know
>>>>>>      things very well. The main question remains: why
>>>>>>      should anybody use an an adapter for a UCI engine
>>>>>>      instead of avoiding this by working with Arena GUI?
>>>>>>      Best regards
>>>>>>      Kurt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>...because WB is by far the stablest and most reliable GUI,
>>>>>which also uses the least ressources and has the best additional tools :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>Guenther
>>>>
>>>>Well, WB is not reliable for UCI engines, in fact, needs an adapter simply to
>>>>run UCI engines. :-)
>>>
>>>Even for UCI engines my above message applies ;-)
>>
>>Judging by the number of threads here asking how to run UCI engines in WB using
>>polyglot, in my mind that reliability is in question. :-)
>
>It's more about the reliability of the users as usual ;-)
>Not knowing how to do something is completely irrelevant
>for the matter of Polyglots reliability, but you sure know this.
>May be you forgot about the zillions of threads here, when people
>posted games in whatever GUIs, which were simply flawed by user setups.
>However, if you don't like WB for whatever reason no one forces you to
>use it, but talking bad about something you don't know is simply weird.
>
>Regards,
>Guenther

Your points all all well taken, but ... an unreliable user will have problems
with any interface. A reliable user who can manage to use polyglot with WB will
have an easy time using an interface that doesn't require polyglot.

Regards
Dave



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