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Subject: Re: Are the top 5 programs at super GM level?

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 02:01:19 01/04/06

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On January 04, 2006 at 00:31:42, emerson tan wrote:

>On January 03, 2006 at 23:54:47, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:
>
>>Let's assume that you have tournments against the top humans and you have rybka,
>>fruit 2.2., shredder, fritz9, and hiarcs 10 all running on a single processor
>>computer (a good one)
>>
>>Let's further assume that the humans do not know they are playing computers and
>>do not use an anticomputer style.
>>
>>Where would these five engines rate in the list of GMs? Would they be at the
>>super gm level? Or would they barely beat master level players?
>>
>>best
>>Joseph
>
>If an IM or even a master knows its a computer, then will just play to draw and
>the machine's rating will be pulled down. there are a lot of IM and masters who
>can force a draw

That would be great but unfortunately facts are contradicting your argument. Is
there any match in which a human could reach a draw in the last years? I think
the last draws in matches were from Kaspy against Junior and Fritz.

I would be glad to be wrong here but results indicate that computers are not at
Super-GM-level but _above_. There is still some confusion since you always can
find positions which computers don't understand and games in which they played
stupid. The same is true for super-GMs as well. But overall the top programs
will crush any human in any match (unfortunately). I think the SSDF-Rating is
comparable to the Fide-rating and Fruit 2.2.1 would achive 2850 Elopoints in a
tournament even on a humble Athlon 1200 MHz.

regards

Joachim



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