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Subject: Re: Are the top 5 programs at super GM level?

Author: Stuart Cracraft

Date: 08:38:07 01/04/06

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On January 04, 2006 at 05:01:19, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On January 04, 2006 at 00:31:42, emerson tan wrote:
>
>>On January 03, 2006 at 23:54:47, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:
>>
>>>Let's assume that you have tournments against the top humans and you have rybka,
>>>fruit 2.2., shredder, fritz9, and hiarcs 10 all running on a single processor
>>>computer (a good one)
>>>
>>>Let's further assume that the humans do not know they are playing computers and
>>>do not use an anticomputer style.
>>>
>>>Where would these five engines rate in the list of GMs? Would they be at the
>>>super gm level? Or would they barely beat master level players?
>>>
>>>best
>>>Joseph
>>
>>If an IM or even a master knows its a computer, then will just play to draw and
>>the machine's rating will be pulled down. there are a lot of IM and masters who
>>can force a draw
>
>That would be great but unfortunately facts are contradicting your argument. Is
>there any match in which a human could reach a draw in the last years? I think
>the last draws in matches were from Kaspy against Junior and Fritz.
>
>I would be glad to be wrong here but results indicate that computers are not at
>Super-GM-level but _above_. There is still some confusion since you always can
>find positions which computers don't understand and games in which they played
>stupid. The same is true for super-GMs as well. But overall the top programs
>will crush any human in any match (unfortunately). I think the SSDF-Rating is
>comparable to the Fide-rating and Fruit 2.2.1 would achive 2850 Elopoints in a
>tournament even on a humble Athlon 1200 MHz.
>
>regards
>
>Joachim

Since DBin 1997, no modern GM and certainly no modern super-GM but
especially any current titled champion wants to take huge risks against
the machines they may choose to face in public, preferring to draw.

I am mainly talking about the top players in the top 5 positions.

So you will see this kind of behavior from them, now, permanently, in
the majority of cases.

I do not speak of Hydrachess's recent crushes because I have not seen them
yet get the interest of the top 5 GM's in the world for a full tournament
time control match.

I would like to see how Hydrachess does against Topalev, Kramnik, etc.
I suspect however the match would be drawn.

Stuart



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