Author: Stuart Cracraft
Date: 08:38:07 01/04/06
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On January 04, 2006 at 05:01:19, Joachim Rang wrote: >On January 04, 2006 at 00:31:42, emerson tan wrote: > >>On January 03, 2006 at 23:54:47, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote: >> >>>Let's assume that you have tournments against the top humans and you have rybka, >>>fruit 2.2., shredder, fritz9, and hiarcs 10 all running on a single processor >>>computer (a good one) >>> >>>Let's further assume that the humans do not know they are playing computers and >>>do not use an anticomputer style. >>> >>>Where would these five engines rate in the list of GMs? Would they be at the >>>super gm level? Or would they barely beat master level players? >>> >>>best >>>Joseph >> >>If an IM or even a master knows its a computer, then will just play to draw and >>the machine's rating will be pulled down. there are a lot of IM and masters who >>can force a draw > >That would be great but unfortunately facts are contradicting your argument. Is >there any match in which a human could reach a draw in the last years? I think >the last draws in matches were from Kaspy against Junior and Fritz. > >I would be glad to be wrong here but results indicate that computers are not at >Super-GM-level but _above_. There is still some confusion since you always can >find positions which computers don't understand and games in which they played >stupid. The same is true for super-GMs as well. But overall the top programs >will crush any human in any match (unfortunately). I think the SSDF-Rating is >comparable to the Fide-rating and Fruit 2.2.1 would achive 2850 Elopoints in a >tournament even on a humble Athlon 1200 MHz. > >regards > >Joachim Since DBin 1997, no modern GM and certainly no modern super-GM but especially any current titled champion wants to take huge risks against the machines they may choose to face in public, preferring to draw. I am mainly talking about the top players in the top 5 positions. So you will see this kind of behavior from them, now, permanently, in the majority of cases. I do not speak of Hydrachess's recent crushes because I have not seen them yet get the interest of the top 5 GM's in the world for a full tournament time control match. I would like to see how Hydrachess does against Topalev, Kramnik, etc. I suspect however the match would be drawn. Stuart
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