Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 07:39:59 01/05/06
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On January 04, 2006 at 21:36:45, Zheng Zhixian wrote: >As a rule i never answer to you Rolf in CTF even when you respond to me, mostly >because I have no idea what you are saying usually, and partly because I suspect >it's usually a waste of time anyway. But since your question is clear this time >I shall answer. But it's a pity that you cant give a clear answer. > >A literal and easy answer, would be, CC could be your livelihood if you one of >the professionals or a supporting team. > >But of course that only works for a small group of people and lacks generality. Nope - this is completely false because for such guys this isnt a hobby. Clear and straight. > >The more correct answer is that just because a certain person decides that he >is willing to put only certain level of importance or passion on a given >activity denoted by what he calls 'hobby', anyone else who puts in more passion >into it while in theory still denoted by the word 'hobby' (though i could call >it a 'passion') , is more serious and/or sees it as of higher importance than >what FV thinks it deserves, automatically means he is wrong, or asburd, or fails >to detect humor/irony. Or worse isn't one of your alpha males :) No, excuse me but this is also completely false. Also someone who takes a hobby very seriously and gives much more than normal people, this remains still a hobby. Now you can differ. Someone with a job cant give the same as a student or workless people. For them the hobby can become a replacement of real work, this is correct. But Fernando isnt joking about such people. Not at all. It is also NOT the question that "such" members allegedly have no humor. Nope! All that is NOT the point for Fernando. Let me explain what his problem really is: He wouldnt have talked about these people with a higher engagement IF these people from time to time wouldnt let slip their mask of normality and if they then wouldnt become wild hunters who want to chase people who take all this more lightly and with a big portion of humor. Do you see the difference to your perception? If these "normal" people with their high interest and motivation wouldnt behave as unsympathetic denouncers and complaintifs Fernando wouldnt lift the eyebrow at all. It is good that we have people with such a high motivation. But they should NOT exaggerate insofar as if they would now lead such a forum. Let me make this clear with a actual comparison. I asked in CTF for General Patton (USA) and read a bit about him. Look, Patton would have been wrong if he had led the whole US-Army. That leader was Gen. Eisenhower the later President. Patton was good, brilliant, highly motivated and all, but he wasnt sophisticated and had certain habits that would normally bring people into jail. Know what I mean? We have here some types who are more like Eisenhower and one of them is Villegas. I know you will ask if I meant if you were like Patton - then I say nope, so far my little game doesnt go. I dont say that. You are perfectly ok. But you simply had not these impressions for me I had from Fernando. This is all. Perhaps in two years you will be my Eisenhower. > >What is perceived as trival to one, critically depends on what level of >importance one wants to put in it, to define by fiat that there is only one >correct level, beyond which further seriousness leads to unintended humor >is clearly undefensible. Right. And sophistication could make itself visible by many different ways. So there is clearly not this single issue. But if it's true that you are stalking Fernando then you are simply wrong in doing this. Fern isnt a holy man either but he has not deserved to be stalked here as if he were the biggest ass__e on this planet. Let me answer you directly. You are not stupid, so it is not you Fernando can mean. The only question open for answers is why you, not stupid, are stalking him this way? Why dont you find other issues fitting your class? Or is it because in real you are not Chinese? That you once were with Fern in a heated argument under a different name? Just try to get over it. you are way too smart to always stalk him. He hasnt deserved it and you neither. > >Of course, while defending this relativist view, I'm not saying that there isn't >a certain absolute level where most reasonable persons wouldnt hesistate to say >arbsurdity results, but rather this indidivual i'm commenting on, has more often >then not used only his solely personal and contingency judgement of what is >important as a scale to heap ridicule on others. > >And of course, in the rare occasion when someone disagrees with his judgement >and dares to deletes his posts, he gets angry, but as usual he claims that it >was a joke.A typical reaction i predicted a while ago. But here you misunderstand him. I explain this way: He always writes with tdongue in cheek, always with conscience that other views are also perfectly normal and not only his own. Didnt you never read him this way? Then you've missed something. Perhaps he's too strong in his speech, but then you must know that if he runs into that form of a journaliste he's at his best. And this forum would be dull without it. Ok, I add, your differentiations here are also valubale. > >In short, anything that other people find significant or interesting that he >does not, he dismisses, as trival and worse yet ridcules them. And this of >course is a pattern of behavior that he exhibits for as long as I have being on >CCC.His semi celebrity status and his grand old man image (he is friends with >the owner of this forum as he boasts - all joking of course..) allows him i >suspect to do so, where lesser memebers would have being thrown out on lesser >charges. It is not orrect to call him semi. He IS someone in Chile. And he still is here. Chile isnt Germany, China or the USA, but still it is fine that he is here. You miss something else. Joking in that format he uses is always a bit looking like dumping someone else who doesnt quite get it. But this is NOT what Fernando has intended. But look at it from his side: how low should he bend his head so that everybody, all of us, are satisfied? Would that be ok? > >It's all part of the pattern in which he assumes a role of grand old man, and >lecturer to everyone grand and sundry giving little bits of 'wisdom' , which if >rejected leaves him in a rage. He tells us in the stem of this thread, what a >great person the "wisdom and grace" (wow!) of Steve and what is important >according to him is >" movies, literature, Anatole, France, soccer, painting, music, jazz, etc." and >the oh so important advice that humor and only humor alone can save our souls. >lol. :P Yes. Then you are perhaps too young to know that. If you get older and senile, only humor can hold you in form. If you lose it you become ridiculous. > >I hope he's not being serious if he is, I can't help but think he is setting >himself up to be mocked, with all this earnst seriousness. Or perhas as he says, >he is merely in the position of a fool in the "Peter Seller movie giving >political absurd advices" Yes, ok, but with his humor he's really serious and I am backing him, since I'm still older. I need it even more but I dont have his class and so I must much more suffer. Excuse me the bell rings. I must get up and go out for a little walk. I'm accompanied by a beautiful lady. See you later. GENS UNA SUMUS
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