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Subject: Re: Hiarcs 10 Test (40'/40) After 250 Games / Match vs Fruit 2.2.1

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 01:41:47 01/07/06

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On January 07, 2006 at 04:16:29, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>Hi Thorsten
>The different rating lists are almost equal as far as
>playing strength of Hiarcs 10 (with default settings)
>is concerned.

no.

following your own links


>CSS Rating List: Hiarcs 10 = Rank 2
>(but neither Rybka nor Toga are included)
>http://www.computerschach.de/index.php?option=com_wrapper&wrap=erangliste&Itemid=152

this is 10' blitz+10" and hiarcs10 is above F9 and above S9. It is 2 ELO points
behind Fruit2.2.1.

I do quote the comments of the list makers:

"Hiarcs 10 obtained a score of 70,9% or an elo rating of 2809 points at the
series of tests more than the 480 games. This means an elo increase of
phenomenal 111 points to Hiarcs 9. "

Again: this is Blitz !



>GS Rating List: Hiarcs 10 = Rank 3
>http://www.pcschach.de/Texte/p3rating.html

This is a SLOW P3 PC with small hashtables (16MB!!) and although the PC is slow
the level was blitz 30' hiarcs score is not that bad:

1 Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit          2827   29  44     304    71.9 %   2664   26.6 %
  2 Deep Shredder 9 UCI(t2)        2806   20  33     612    71.9 %   2643   22.9
%
  3 Hiarcs 10                      2780   39  41     208    63.7 %   2682   33.2
%
  4 Fruit 2.2                      2778   23  31     520    67.3 %   2653   26.5
%
  5 Shredder 8(t2)                 2767   27  35     398    67.0 %   2644   26.4
%
  6 Deep Fritz 7(t2)               2761   23  28     580    64.7 %   2656   26.6
%
  7 Deep Shredder 9 UCI(t1)        2760   21  32     580    69.0 %   2621   23.1
%
  8 Fritz 9                        2753   24  31     522    66.2 %   2636   23.6
%


this means here hiarcs is again > fruit and > F9 and single-cpu S9.

Only rybka is better in this list.



>CEGT Rating List: Hiarcs 10 = Rank 5
>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/cegtrating4040pure.html

this is the list that makes me the most problems.
it is 40/40 and this is the same time control i do usually test.

I cannot reproduce that h10 is behind fruit or fritz.



>Utzinger Rating List: Hiarcs 10 = Rank 5
>http://www.utzingerk.com/rating_list.htm


same problem with your list.


>Michael's Rating List: Hiarcs 10 = Rank 6
>http://chessengines.vs243093.vserver.de/turniere/blitzturniere/blitzrangliste.html


this is again a blitz rating list.


To sum up we have:

people playing on slow machines in blitz level !

People not playing with default books.
people playing with faster hardware but not 40/40.

it is IMO very difficult to find out about the prog. when people use these
different and weird settings, especially when it is not about the STRONGEST
program (rybka) but about 2nd, 3rd or 4th programs.




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