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Subject: Re: BAD?

Author: Eduard Nemeth

Date: 05:38:08 01/09/06

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>[D]r6k/2PK1p2/7p/8/2R5/8/8/8 w - - 0 62
>
>Rybka has completely outplayed Fruit and is probably in a position that most
>programs (or humans) would give up by now. This is a position that even a 500
>ELO player would win against Kasparov. Simply Queen the pawn with check and then
>it is a simple mop up of the pawns and a simple Rook mate. 4.07/13 3.  Well
>Rybka actually manages to screw this up and manages only a draw !!!
>
>.......62.Ra4?? WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THIS ????!!!!????!!!????? Rybka goes for a
>Queen and Rook with 2 pawns ending instead a simple Rook win. Although this
>might be a win for white I could not get any engine to find a win. It might be >a draw even with best play by white.

Ok, then is Shredder 7.04 very bad, and Rybka at last great! :-)

See this analyses on my slow P3 600 with 64 MB hash (without EGTBs)!!

r6k/2PK1p2/7p/8/2R5/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 7.04:

1.c8T+ Txc8 2.Txc8+ Kg7 3.Ke7 h5 4.Tc6 f5 5.Tf6 h4 6.Txf5 Kh6 7.Ke6 h3 8.Tf2 Kh5
  +-  (4.79)   Tiefe: 13/22   00:00:05  458kN
1.c8T+ Txc8 2.Txc8+ Kg7 3.Tc6 h5 4.Ke7 f5 5.Ke6 Kg6 6.Ke5+ Kg5 7.Tc1 h4 8.Tg1+
Kh5 9.Kxf5 h3
  +-  (4.98)   Tiefe: 14/26   00:00:08  987kN
1.Ta4 Tg8 2.Tb4 Ta8 3.Tb8+ Kg7 4.c8D Ta7+ 5.Kc6 h5
  +-  (4.99)   Tiefe: 14/30   00:00:11  1436kN
1.Ta4 Txa4 2.c8D+ Kg7 3.Dc3+ Kg8 4.Dc6 Ta7+ 5.Ke8 f6 6.Dg2+ Tg7 7.Dd5+ Kh7
8.Df5+ Kg8 9.Dxf6 Kh7 10.Df5+ Kh8
  +-  (5.11)   Tiefe: 14/32   00:00:15  2061kN
1.Ta4 Txa4 2.c8D+ Kg7 3.Dc3+ Kg8 4.Dc6 Ta7+ 5.Ke8 f6 6.Db6 Tg7 7.Dxf6 Kh7 8.Kf8
Tb7 9.Df5+ Kh8 10.Df6+ Kh7 11.Df5+ Kh8 12.Df6+ Kh7 13.Df5+
  +-  (5.27)   Tiefe: 15/36   00:00:21  3006kN
1.Ta4 Txa4 2.c8D+ Kg7 3.Dc3+ Kg8 4.Dc6 Ta7+ 5.Ke8 f6 6.Dd5+ Kg7 7.Dg2+ Kh7 8.Kf8
h5 9.De4+ f5 10.De7+ Txe7
  +-  (5.29)   Tiefe: 16/39   00:00:39  5954kN

(Nemeth, Privat 09.01.2006)

Only Draw.


r6k/2PK1p2/7p/8/2R5/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Beta 9 32-bit:

1.Ta4 Txa4 2.c8D+ Kg7 3.Dc3+ f6 4.Dg3+ Kh7 5.Ke6 Ta6+ 6.Kd5 f5 7.Ke5 Tg6
  +-  (4.37)   Tiefe: 15   00:01:29  4119kN
1.c8D+ Txc8 2.Txc8+ Kg7 3.Ke7 h5 4.Tc1 Kg6 5.Tc6+ Kf5 6.Tc7 h4 7.Kxf7 h3
  +-  (4.42)   Tiefe: 15   00:01:47  6187kN
1.c8D+ Txc8 2.Txc8+ Kg7 3.Ke7 h5 4.Tc1 Kg6 5.Tc6+ Kf5 6.Tc7 h4 7.Kxf7 h3
  +-  (4.42)   Tiefe: 16   00:02:19  7902kN
1.c8D+ Txc8 2.Txc8+ Kg7 3.Tc6 f6 4.Ke6 Kg6 5.Tc1 Kg5 6.Tg1+ Kf4 7.Th1 f5
  +-  (4.44)   Tiefe: 17   00:03:16  11903kN

(Nemeth, Privat 09.01.2006)

Surprise! Rybka can win! :-)



4.54/13 4 62...Rxa4 4.14/15 5 63.c8Q+ 4.47/12
>5 63...Kg7 4.12/13 1 64.Qc3+ 4.35/12 17 64...Kg8 (f6) 4.14/14 3 65.Qg3+ (Qc6)
>4.61/11 2 65...Kf8 (Kh7) 4.14/14 3 66.Qe5 (Qe3) 4.62/11 2 66...Kg8 (Ra7+)
>4.14/13 4 67.Ke7 (Qf6) 4.66/12 3 67...Ra7+ (Rg4) 3.51/13 3 68.Kf6 4.52/13 4
>68...Ra6+ 3.51/17 3 69.Kf5 4.52/13 2 69...Rg6 (h5) 3.51/18 4 70.Qb8+ (Kf4)
>4.49/12 3 70...Kg7 3.51/19 3 71.Qb2+ 4.49/13 4 71...Kf8 (Kg8) 3.51/19 3 72.Qh8+
>(Kf4) 4.52/12 4 72...Ke7 3.51/20 4 73.Qd4 (Qe5+) 4.49/12 4 73...Rg5+ (Kf8)
>3.49/17 6 74.Kf4 4.50/11 1 74...f6 3.48/17 6 75.Qb4+ (Qe4+) 4.50/11 3 75...Kf7
>3.46/16 5 76.Qb3+ 4.46/12 8 76...Ke7 (Kg7) 3.46/14 5 77.Qb7+ 4.46/12 3 77...Ke8
>(Ke6) 3.46/13 3 78.Qa6 (Qc6+) 4.46/13 6 78...Ke7 (Kf7) 3.46/13 4 79.Qa7+ 4.46/12
>4 79...Kf8 (Ke6) 3.46/14 3 80.Qb6 4.46/12 3 80...Ke7 3.46/13 5 81.Qc7+ 4.46/12
>47 81...Ke6 3.46/13 4 82.Qc4+ (Qc6+) 4.43/9 4 82...Ke7 3.46/16 3 83.Qe4+ 4.43/8
>1 83...Kf8 (Kf7) 3.46/16 5 84.Qc6 (Qe6) 4.46/11 5 84...Ke7 (Kg7) 3.27/12 4
>85.Qc3 (Qc4) 4.42/8 3 85...h5 3.27/12 3 86.Qc7+ 4.37/8 2 86...Ke6 3.27/13 3
>87.Qc4+ (Qb6+) 4.40/8 2 87...Ke7 (Kd6) 3.28/14 3 88.Qc8 (Qe2+) 4.29/8 3
>88...Rg4+ (h4) 3.27/14 3 89.Kf3 4.29/9 2 89...Rg5 3.28/16 3 90.Qc7+ (Qb7+)
>4.29/8 2 90...Ke6 3.28/18 3 91.Qc6+ (Qc4+) 4.29/8 2 91...Ke7 3.28/18 3 92.Qb7+
>4.29/8 2 92...Ke6 (Kd6) 3.28/19 4 93.Qb6+ (Qa6+) 4.29/9 4 93...Kf7 (Ke7) 3.28/18
>3 94.Qb3+ (Qd8) 4.10/9 3 94...Ke7 3.28/19 3 95.Qe3+ (Qb4+) 4.10/9 12 95...Re5
>(Kd7) 3.28/20 6 96.Qa7+ 4.10/10 1 96...Ke6 (Kd6) 3.28/20 4 97.Qa6+ (Qa2+)
>4.11/10 1 97...Ke7 (Kd5) 3.28/20 3 98.Qb7+ (Kf4) 4.11/11 2 98...Ke6 (Kd6)
>3.28/17 3 99.Qc8+ 4.11/11 2 99...Ke7 (Kd6) 3.28/21 3 100.Qc7+ (Kf4) 4.11/10 3
>100...Ke6 3.28/21 3 101.Qc4+ (Qc6+) 4.10/11 6 101...Ke7 3.28/22 4 102.Qb4+ (Qc2)
>4.08/8 3 102...Kf7 (Ke6) 3.28/19 3 103.Kf4 4.09/10 3 103...Kg6 (h4) 3.28/19 3
>104.Qb1+ 4.18/11 2 104...Kf7 3.28/21 3 105.Qb3+ (Qb2) 4.19/9 1 105...Ke7 3.28/22
>4 106.Qb4+ (Qb7+) 4.11/9 2 106...Ke6 3.28/19 5 107.Qb6+ (Qc4+) 4.10/8 2
>107...Kf7 (Kd5) 3.28/21 5 108.Qd4 (Qb7+) 4.08/11 7 108...Ke6 (h4) 3.28/20 3
>109.Qc4+ 4.08/9 3 109...Ke7 (Kd6) 3.28/23 3 110.Qc6 (Qc7+) 4.08/9 1 110...Rg5
>(h4) 3.28/21 4 111.Qb7+ (Qe4+) 4.21/8 2 111...Ke6 (Kd6) 3.28/20 5 112.Qa6+
>(Qb6+) 4.21/8 1 112...Kf7 (Ke7) 3.28/20 3 113.Qa2+ (Qd3) 4.00/9 2 113...Ke7
>(Kg7) 3.28/20 4 114.Qa7+ (Qe2+) 4.19/8 2 114...Ke6 (Kd6) 3.28/21 3 115.Qb6+
>(Qe3+) 4.16/9 1 115...Ke7 (Kf7) 3.28/22 7 116.Qb4+ 4.16/9 2 116...Kf7 (Kd7)
>3.28/22 3 117.Qb3+ 4.13/10 4 117...Ke7 3.28/22 5 118.Qa2 (Kf3) 4.13/9 2
>118...Rg4+ 3.28/20 2 119.Kf3 4.11/10 2 119...Rg5 3.28/21 3 120.Qa7+ 4.11/8 2
>120...Ke6 (Kd6) 3.28/22 4 121.Qa6+ 4.08/8 2 121...Ke7 3.28/22 4 122.Qa3+ (Qe2+)
>4.09/8 2 122...Kf7 (Kd7) 3.28/22 4 123.Qd6 (Qd3) 4.00/9 2 123...Rf5+ 3.28/19 3
>124.Kg3 (Ke4) 4.00/11 2 124...Rg5+ (h4+) 3.28/18 4 125.Kf4 (Kf2) 4.00/12 4
>125...Rg4+ 3.12/11 3 126.Kf3 (Kf5) 4.00/13 5 126...f5 (Rg8) 3.12/11 2 127.Qc5
>(Qd7+) 4.14/12 2 127...Kf6 (Ke6) 3.12/11 4 128.Qf8+ (Qb6+) 4.14/11 4 128...Kg6
>(Ke6) 3.12/12 4 129.Qg8+ (Qe8+) 4.14/9 2 129...Kf6 3.12/12 2 130.Qd8+ 4.14/11 2
>130...Kf7 (Kg6) 3.12/12 4 131.Qa5 (Qd7+) 4.14/9 1 131...Ke6 3.12/11 4 132.Qa6+
>(Qb6+) 4.14/10 3 132...Ke7 3.12/11 3 133.Qb7+ 4.14/10 4 133...Ke6 (Kd6) 3.12/11
>3 134.Qb3+ (Qc6+) 4.14/10 2 134...Kf6 (Kd6) 3.12/12 4 135.Qb2+ (Qc3+) 4.13/9 4
>135...Ke6 (Kg6) 3.12/11 3 136.Qb6+ 4.13/8 2 136...Ke7 3.12/12 4 137.Qc7+ (Qe3+)
>4.14/8 2 137...Ke6 3.12/12 4 138.Qc8+ 4.13/8 3 138...Kf6 3.12/12 4 139.Qh8+
>4.02/9 10 139...Kg6 3.01/12 4 140.Qe8+ 4.03/9 5 140...Kg5 2.96/11 3 141.Qd8+ A
>truly dismal display by the strongest engine in the world. 4.03/8 2 ½–½
>



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