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Subject: Re: Fritz endgame CD

Author: José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba

Date: 07:51:27 04/02/99

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On April 01, 1999 at 08:19:57, James T. Walker wrote:

>On April 01, 1999 at 06:24:43, Sylvain Renard wrote:
>
>>On March 31, 1999 at 18:01:28, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>Hello again Sylvain,
>>>Obviously you know more about these things than I do.  As I said in an earlier
>>>post I'm not a programmer or even a good chess player.  But I still keep coming
>>>back to the CD ROM as the problem.  I don't know if Fritz uses Ken Thompsons
>>>database or what.  Fritz does not do a normal "search" on this move.  Fritz
>>>seems to read the CD ROM and then make the wrong move.  The info which shows up
>>>in the move window indicates Fritz has incorrect information about the value of
>>>the moves in the move list.  Where do these values come from?  All moves have a
>>>score of draw so it does not matter which one it plays.  Evidently the first
>>>move "generated" or looked at is f8=B and it plays that move.
>>   Hello again,
>>when reading the databases, if the position reached is not found, Fritz has to
>>assume it is a draw. What else could it do? I think they did not think
>>it was useful to include all the files resulting from an underpromotion.
>>
>>
>>>Fritz 5.32 with
>>>the Fritz 5.32 CD ROM does not play that move.  It correctly has the score as
>>>(8) 1.f8=R.  Why does Fritz play the move correctly with the new CD ROM but
>>>incorrectly with the old CD ROM?
>>  ?? I must have the old CD ROM because my Fritz 5.32 shows 0 as the score
>>after f8=R. Could you look at the files in the root directory of your CD
>>and tell me if the file Rr_r.g is present on your CD? Thank you.
>>
>>> Fritz does not go back to a regular search
>>>routine untill after the f8=B move.
>>  This is a bug on my Fritz5.32 because it has the file Rb_r.g on the CD
>>and does not use it when you enter a corresponding position.
>>
>>   Best regards,
>>      Sylvain
>
>Hello again Sylvain,
>Have you updated to the "March SP1" at Chessbase/Germany?  Anyway here is a list
>of all endgame files on my CD ROM.
>Pq_q.g
>Pr_r.g
>Q_pr.g
>Qr_q.g
>Qr_r.g
>Rb_r.g
>Rn_r.g
>So the Rr_r.g is not on the endgame CD.  As I have said I don't see where this
>is necessary since when you get to this position any program can win from there.
>Since Fritz only searches the CD at the root you would have to already be into
>this endgame before Fritz would search the CD and at that point it is not
>necessary.  Fritz must make the proper decision of promotion before exiting the
>Pr_r.g file.  It is still a KRP vs KR untill after the promotion in my opinion
>and this file must have the correct info for this to work.
>Jim Walker

	To make the right choice with a pawn on the seventh rank (which can promote to
four different pieces), the promotion files are required. That is because
"probing at the root" really means probing after a one-ply full width search.
José.



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