Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 04:40:56 01/10/06
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On January 10, 2006 at 07:09:36, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >One shouldnt buy Fritz 9 as a chessplayer because testers have certain problems >in engine vs engine autoplaying? Give me break! again your comments show that you have NO understanding about computerchess and the programs. if you would EVER have had a fritz program, you would know exactly that the program evaluates in positions he has no idea about arround 0.00 and that these 0.00 can be 4 or 5 moves and that mainly in these stages the game turns arround. while the opponent sees and recognizes that the Fritz moves are "nullmoves" (meaning here: weak moves, not the best moves, no plan moves) and increases its score, fritz sees nothing. then suddenly fritz gets the fail low and NOW it sees the mess. too late. THIS was the major information WHY fritz9 is IMO not a tool for analysis. of course ANY program has stages where it does not know what to do, but with fritz these stages are famous (and well known). we testers often have this running gag that we put a piece of paper on the screen when Fritz is in this mode: the famous "0.00" piece of paper that means: "i have no idea what is going on on the board" >Fritz 9 wasnt designed for testers who dont play chess at all but it was created >to support the chess of thousands of chessplayers. And therefore it sells. you like to play with a program that has these long "i don't know what to do stages" ? you want to analyse chess games with a program that has lacks of knowledge ?! >To even spend more than a second on alternatives like Fritz 9 with its >all-inclusive attachements and "programs" who dont have books, GUI, no nothing >and who cost only 15 € less than Fritz 9 is incredible in such an expert forum. "Expert forum" again you come with your elite thinking. is this an Expert forum ? i thought it is a forum with and about people making experience. with your kind of people who show that they have NO experience in this area. >Finally I want to repeat that Fritz 9 has left the scene of engine vs engine >ballyhoo. Now you just cant compare it with new entries like Hiarcs 10. Fritz 9 >is for human chessplayers 0.00 Have fun ! > and not testers or operators who are playing with >their own program on chess servers. Nothing against such a hobby. can you spell computer - chess ? >But to simply >continue business as usual although Fritz 9 is no longer designed for such >passtimes, this is just odd. fritz is no longer designed for eng-eng ?! you even ate this. you fall in any PR-trap. >Of course that ends in a double bind. Look here. Rybka shall, as Vasik has said, >be the future help for the advanced and every chessplayer for his own chess, NOT >for engine vs engine automatisms. But actually Vasik is happy if he sees all the >results from such engine matches. because the GUI he wants to create that shall bring this rybka knowledge into function is not yet ready. in the moment the GUI for rybka is ready, i am sure those eng-eng results will become meaningless concerning rybka. then you can maybe have major access to the knowledge implemented in rybka. CB-GUIs do not allow the user to access Knowledge of a chess program. reason is that fritz HAD no knowledge to access. therefore they never needed features to access this. in Chess System Tal DOS we had lots of features to access the knowledge of the engine from the GUI.
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