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Subject: Re: Stuff for debate

Author: Gabor Szots

Date: 06:58:53 01/10/06

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On January 10, 2006 at 09:55:14, Albert Silver wrote:

>On January 10, 2006 at 08:58:39, Gabor Szots wrote:
>
>>Hi Arnon,
>>
>>>Excuse me for the shallow language, but -
>>>Why do you *hate* Rybka so much?
>>
>>I don't think there is a chess program I hate. For me Rybka is just another
>>engine. With my level I will never understand why it is better than any other
>>program. For me testing is equal to finding bugs.
>>
>>>All your posts are filled with baseless anti-Rybka propaganda and from the day
>>>it was released you used every opportunity you had to bash and disrespect it.
>>
>>Please quote some of my messages to prove this. But please omit those in which I
>>expressed my objection against announcing deadlines and not keeping them. Or
>>promising improvements but not including them. You remember how often the home
>>page was modified, don't you?
>>
>>>What's your problem with it, really?
>>
>>There is only one thing I don't like in Rybka. The marketing policy. It is too
>>aggressive for my taste. But I can accept that that is the only way to make a
>>living from it.
>>I once called Vasik a great psychologist. And I mean it.
>>
>>Gábor
>
>You should scroll back a few years and see EVERY big new engine release and
>watch this forum's response. Hiarcs 6 and 7, the Fritzes, Chess Tiger 12, 13,
>14, and the Gambit Tiger, and of course the Shredders. In fact, just this year,
>see the absolute frenzy for Fruit. It was Fruit this, and Fruit that, and I'm
>talking about the weaker Fruit 2.1. Now Rybka is the new unofficial, but
>recognized, king of the hill.
>
>I've read Steve's comments on the marketing plan, but honestly I don't see it
>that way. Rybka's strength has been its own marketing. Had it been of 'only'
>Shredder's strength, the hoopla would be 10 times less. The fact is that an
>engine came out of the blue (for all practical purposes) and is killing the
>field. The constant and excessive posting on this is because of this, and not
>because of some incredibly ingenious ploy by Vasik. There is absolutely nothing
>new about offering a beta and then charging for the final release. It is the
>norm. If you want to 'blame' Vasik for something, blame him for making such a
>damn strong engine, and not so much for his 'aggressive marketing'. How often do
>you see other top engine programmers openly posting here at CCC?
>
>                                          Albert

Thanks, Albert. Clear and convincing argument.

Gábor



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