Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 08:37:32 01/10/06
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On January 10, 2006 at 10:59:24, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >What is system-immanent more than just a word for you? i thought you were an expert. you don't know the meaning of this word ? it means richard cannot CHANGE this behaviour because its major part of the program. e.g. chess system tal cannot compute EXACT because its part of the design NOT to play exact. >Explain what you really >mean. oh man. e.g. genius asymmetric search is the reason it cannot handle karpov - topalov. > What is system for Fritz? And dont forget that Frans is a Dutch. What he >to do with your arch enemy ChessBase?? i have no idea what you are talking about. i was talking about chess programs. you again want to talk about people. rolf. if you want to talk about people, you must look for some gossip forums. or ask the programmers for an autograph. a nice picture of frans: "for my best friend Rolf in love" and then you can maybe be satisfied. i am not interested in people and what they do in their private life. but in programs and what they do while playing against each other. >Then you say something again that is zero, nothing. ?? nullmove ! exactly. the nullmove is the reason for those 0.00 areas. nullmove and zugzwang. now you got it: so there is still hope for you. >A program loses because of its immanent weaknesses. Tough! A real discovery. Do >you prefer that they lose because of the weather? this 0.00 is in the program for ages. and for the same reason genius-programs are not good for analysis (because they prune 1-3-5-7 plies) , fritz programs are not good for analysis. >But there is another weakness in your typical speech. You are outdated with your >examples. Genius is over. yes. but it is a good example for a system that did not change and was overtaken. > Why did Rebel lose? Why does Pro Deo lose. Not because >of immanent weaknesses? Tough! i think ed had less interest in programming. other programmers had the same interest change when they were older. >But what do you say about the new programs. Why do they lose? Why Zappa lost in >Paderborn? Why Rybka lost that one game? I know why: because of the system! you do not understand what you are talking about. its a bubble of nothing. >Someone asks you a clear question: do you want to say that others than Fritz >know exactly what is going on when they are just losing at that moment? And >where is your answer? Where? - Nowhere! Because you have no answer. Because >there is no answer on such a question that was just posed because of your theory >that poor Fritz didnt have an idea in positions when he lost. Well, this is >really a deep discovery. how do you want to know. do you have a computer ? all you have is talking about the programmers ticks. you need to talk about dirty laundry. Here is what YOU understand under computerchess Rolf: dirty laundry I make my living off the Evening News Just give me something-something I can use People love it when you lose, They love dirty laundry Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear Come and whisper in my ear Give us dirty laundry Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em all around We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who comes on at five She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye It's interesting when people die- Give us dirty laundry Can we film the operation? Is the heir dead yet? You know, the boys in the newsroom got a running bet Get the widow on the set! We need dirty laundry Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're stiff Kick 'em all around Dirty little secrets Dirty little lies We got our dirty little fingers in everybody's pie We love to cut you down to size We love dirty laundry We can do "The Innuendo" We can dance and sing When it's said and done we haven't told you a thing We all know that Crap is King Give us dirty laundry!
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