Author: enrico carrisco
Date: 02:09:12 01/11/06
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On January 11, 2006 at 04:11:10, Per Jørgensen wrote: >On January 11, 2006 at 01:43:55, Harvey Williamson wrote: > >>On January 10, 2006 at 09:35:10, Per Jørgensen wrote: >> >>>Hello Chesscomputerfriends! >>> >>>As I described in this Forum on the 30th of December and earlier I'm making a >>>new Ratinglist based on 15 openingpositions. 10 of these are known from the >>>CSS-Ranglist (for further information check this website www.computerschach.de), >>>here are the 5 new openingpositions: >>> >>>C30 = Kings Gambit (1.e4,e5 2.f4) >>> >>>E17 = Queenindian (1.d4,Sf6 2.c4,e6 3.Sf3,b6 4.g3,Lb7 5.Lg2,Le7) >>> >>>B02 = Scandinavian (1.e4,d5 2.exd5) >>> >>>D35 = Orthodox Queens Gambit (1.d4,d5 2.c4,e6 3.Sc3,Sf6) >>> >>>A57 = Modern Ben Oni (1.d4,Sf6 2.c4,c5 3.d5) >>> >>>It's my intention to create an élite Ratinglist of 17 engines so that each >>>engine has played 480 games (30 x 16) when the list is full. I'm testing on the >>>following Hardware: >>> >>>Asus A8V Motherboard, Socket 939, FSB 1.000 MHz >>>AMD Athlon 64 4000+, 2.4 GHz, 1 MB Level 2 Cache, 90 nm San Diego Core >>>2 x 512 MB Corsair PC 3200XLPT RAM (CAS Latency 2-2-2-5) >>> >>>And here are the specific testconditions: >>> >>>Shredder 9 GUI >>>Thinkingtime for each engine: 40 moves in 14 minutes repeatedly >>>Hash Tables for each engine: 128 MB PC 3200 Ram (CAS Latency 2-2-2-5) >>>8 MB Cache for TB's >>>TB's: Nalimov - 3 und 4-pieces >>>Pondern OFF >>> >>>Since more than 5 weeks the tests are running and the first result were as >>>follows: >>> >>>Fritz 9 - Fruit 2.2.1 19-11 >>>Shredder 9 - Fritz 9 18-12 >>>Shredder 9 - Fruit 2.2.1 11½-18½ >>>Toga II 1.1 - Fritz 9 14-16 >>>Toga II 1.1 - Fruit 2.2.1 10-20 >>>Toga II 1.1 - Shredder 9 16-14 >>>Loop List - Fruit 2.2.1 11-19 >>>Loop List - Fritz 9 8½-21½ >>>Loop List - Shredder 9 12½-17½ >>>Loop List - Toga II 1.1 9½-20½ >>>Ktulu 7.5 - Fritz 9 11½-18½ >>>Ktulu 7.5 - Fruit 2.2.1 12-18 >>>Ktulu 7.5 - Shredder 9 11-19 >>>Ktulu 7.5 - Toga II 1.1 12-18 >>>Ktulu 7.5 - Loop List 13½-16½ >>>Spike 1.0a Mainz - Fritz 9 8-22 >>>Spike 1.0a Mainz - Fruit 2.2.1 11½-18½ >>>Spike 1.0a Mainz - Shredder 9 14½-15½ >>>Spike 1.0a Mainz - Toga II 1.1 13-17 >>>Spike 1.0a Mainz - Ktulu 7.5 13½-16½ >>>Spike 1.0a Mainz - Loop List 12½-17½ >>>Hiarcs 10 - Fritz 9 11½-18½ >>>Hiarcs 10 - Fruit 2.2.1 13½-16½ >>>Hiarcs 10 - Shredder 9 11-19 >>>Hiarcs 10 - Toga II 1.1 11½-18½ >>>Hiarcs 10 - Ktulu 7.5 18-12 >>>Hiarcs 10 - Loop List 16-14 >>>Hiarcs 10 - Spike 1.0a Mainz 19½-10½ >>> >>>And here comes the latest results: >>> >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 - Fritz 9 11-19 >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 - Fruit 2.2.1 8-22 >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 - Shredder 9 7-23(!) >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 - Toga II 1.1 9½-20½ >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 - Hiarcs 10 10-20 >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 - Loop List 15-15 >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 - Ktulu 7.5 11½-18½ >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 - Spike 1.0a Mainz 13½-16½ >>> >>>Although Chess Tiger 15.0 doesn't belong to the gruop of Topengins of today I >>>was expecting a littte bit stronger performance. Especially Shredder 9 managed >>>to almost humiliate Chess Tiger with a 23-7 victory (the biggest victory of all >>>so far in my testing). Here follows the updated ranking: >>> >>>1. Fritz 9 146½ Points >>>2. Fruit 2.2.1 143½ P. >>>3. Shredder 9 137½ P. >>>4. Toga II 1.1 134½ P. >>>5. Hiarcs 10 121 P. >>>6. Ktulu 7.5 107 P. >>>7. Loop List 104½ P. >>>8. Spike 1.0a Mainz 100 P. >>>9. Chess Tiger 15.0 85½ P. >>> >>>Compared to the latest ranking there are only a few important changes: Fruit >>>2.2.1 has reduced the lead of Fritz 9 and Ktulu 7.5 has passed Loop List. Even >>>with a fine 20-10 victory for Hiarcs 10 against Chess Tiger it's fair to say >>>that this engine so far has been a disappointment. When the next enginetest is >>>finished I will have 10 engines tested and from that point (and in the future) I >>>will publish real ELO-lists. >>> >>>The next engine to be tested is the brandnew SmarThink 1.00. The results so far >>>for this russian engine have been quite mixed so I am excited to see how it will >>>perform under my testconditions. Needless to say; as soon as Rybka 1.2 is >>>available (probably 1st of February) I'll test it and the same goes >>>for Shredder 10. >>> >>>Best regards >>>Per >> >> >>Did you switch off poaition learning for Shredder 9? > >Hello Harvey! > >Thanks for your interest in my testwork. Yes, position learning ist allowed for >all engines who is capable of using this option. However, I don't see the big >victory against Chess Tiger 15.0 as a result of this feature. I have been >testing for a long time and I haven't recoqnized such a pattern or development >in the results and the same goes for the important CSS-Ratinglist. Needless to >say, position learning ON has an influence on the results but in my opinion it >is a marginal one. Like I wrote in my posting I have just started the test of >SmarThink 1.00 and right now the russian engine has an impressive 3-0 lead >against Shredder 9. It goes up and down for Shredder 9 as it does for all >engines. > >Best regards >Per Hello Per. I believe Harvey was asking because he, like myself, is part of HIARCS development and we didn't have any match results less than 55% against Shredder 9. However, it's only been 30 games with your tournament, so perhaps things will still turn around. Regards, -elc.
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