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Subject: Re: Stuff for debate

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 22:52:17 01/11/06

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On January 11, 2006 at 17:18:22, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 11, 2006 at 16:27:50, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On January 10, 2006 at 07:28:55, Gabor Szots wrote:
>>
>>>Question: Which one of Fruit, Rybka and Shredder will be strongest at their next
>>>non-beta release?
>>>
>>>My bet is Fruit. Here is why.
>>>
>>>Fruit made giant leaps in the past. Why should it fade now?
>>>Rybka hid in the dark for a long time and emerged as the greatest. But I don't
>>>think it still has the potential for a great improvement. Somme search tweaks
>>>and some more endgame knowledge will translate to more than 50 Elos.
>>>Shredder 9 was only moderately improved compared to Shredder 8 (if my assessment
>>>based on what I have read is right). And it is old. Without some new
>>>revolutionary ideas it simply cannot gain too much.
>>>
>>>So once again: 1. Fruit, 2. Rybka, 3. Shredder.
>>>
>>>What do yoou think?
>>>
>>>Gábor
>>
>>well, recently we saw that what we thought was hard to be seen it became
>>reality.
>>
>>Now, my prediction is that in less than 2 years we will have more than 5
>>programs scoring close to 3000 in the SSDF list and one of them will be
>>Shredder.
>>
>>Now more details:
>>
>>1. I expect Rybka 1.2 to get a SSDF Elo about 100 points above Shredder 9
>>(2918?) and to improve at least 50 points in the following year.
>>
>>2. I expect Fruit 3.0 (?) to be about 50 points stronger than 2.2.1 and to
>>become available late March or April
>>
>>3. I expect Shredder 10 to be about 150 points better than 9.0 and to become
>>available at the end of March and to get 50 points more in about one year...
>>
>>4. I expect Gandalf to increase as well and to be close to those programs.
>>
>>5. I expect a similar gain by Junior too increasing more than 100 points over
>>9.0 and to become available before the end of 2006
>>
>>6. I expect Hiarcs to increase further 50-80 Elo in one year or so.
>>
>>7. I expect Fritz to gain 50 more points in one year or so.
>>
>>Why am I so optimistic?
>>
>>Because I know how much needs can do to reach goals!
>>
>>Sandro
>
>I am more optimistic than you about Rybka1.2 and fruit3.0.

Well, maybe Fruit could earn up to 80 more points, but I do not think more than
that.

I have made some hundreds games with Rybka and I think I have a more or less
correct estimate of this program which is really a great program!

This program is/will force the competitors to improve a lot!

>
>Uri

Sandro



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