Author: Joseph Ciarrochi
Date: 02:58:00 01/12/06
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Dear rolf, I think it is ubsurd to suggest that CCC members are under the swoon of vasik's marketing tricks (e.g., " I for one see a gross injustice in this appearance of Rybka, what is called aggressive marketing") I don't think there is a hobby/community on earth that is more critical of its subject matter. I don't think many CCC members fall for superficial marketing tricks (I would guess they are less likely to fall for tricks than the general chess playing comunity). Members here talk in terms of thousands of tests of the engine and margin or error and varying paremters, and they get excited when all these rigourous tests suggest Rybka is easily better then any engine in the world I can assure you, if rybka was not so strong, than no amount of vasik marketing would be able to sell it. best Joseph On January 11, 2006 at 17:37:39, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >Hi All! > >Because this is becoming a real problem I want to ask you all. > >1) The appearance of a new engine is always a good event, hope you all agree? > >2) Never before - unless there was a scandal of some sort - a new engine was so >heavily in the new messages of CCC, do you agree with me? > >3) As you know we have some 300 chess engines, amateurs and professionals; how >can it be fair and justified that a single engine like Rybka is in the >headlines? > >4) Recently I read stuff of this sort: we should all give Vas something because >he also gives us so much; do you really think that because of this all the other >engines have no right to be discussed and supported? Please why? > >Let me answer my questions in a somewhat general manner. I for one see a gross >injustice in this appearance of Rybka, what is called aggressive marketing. I >find it absolutely against the charter here that forbids advertising. At least >in such a pusher manner. The point is that all other are forgotten or ignored. >For what reasons? Because they dont have the chuzbe of Vasik? Let me clarify >that I would tolerate such a vibe IF but only if Rybka were Freeware, but it's >not! In this case Rybka consumers are misusing this open forum for their own >interests. But all other programmers use the usual path of email feedback. In >special I find it is a scandal towards Bob Hyatt who offers for a long period of >time his Crafty for free. He created a special emaillist to keep the noise >outside CCC. And Hyatt has no commercial interests at all. > >Vasik had a good status when he presented his free Rybka for download but now >things got out of control. Hiarcs programmer Uniake has no time to even frequent >this forum and he has a program with a long tradition. He gets crushed in the >actual Rybka hybris. But again, all the amateurs are the real victims of this >forum misuse. They have no commercial interests and therefore CCC seems to make >them living deads. This cant be justified with no thinkable arguments. > >I know that now many supporters, fans and lovers of Rybka, also in face of the >very noble Vasik and his big engagement in CCC, see my statement as possibly >unfair towards Rybka/ Rajlich but I can only smash such reflections with the >cool argument that I have 300 programmers and perspective engines on my side! I >ask the host here, Steve Schwartz, if by chance commercial interests overruled >the normal procedering in CCC? > >Please excuse me, but sometimes the truth will hurt no matter how you present >it. B ut if I wouldnt speak it out an even bigger injustice would continue day >by day. > >Let's get this back to normal. I dont want to miss Rybka news but all Rybka guys >should also thing about all the other 300 collegues... > > >Yours truly, > >Rolf
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