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Subject: Re: Stuff for debate

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:17:54 01/12/06

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On January 12, 2006 at 01:52:17, Sandro Necchi wrote:

>On January 11, 2006 at 17:18:22, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 11, 2006 at 16:27:50, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>
>>>On January 10, 2006 at 07:28:55, Gabor Szots wrote:
>>>
>>>>Question: Which one of Fruit, Rybka and Shredder will be strongest at their next
>>>>non-beta release?
>>>>
>>>>My bet is Fruit. Here is why.
>>>>
>>>>Fruit made giant leaps in the past. Why should it fade now?
>>>>Rybka hid in the dark for a long time and emerged as the greatest. But I don't
>>>>think it still has the potential for a great improvement. Somme search tweaks
>>>>and some more endgame knowledge will translate to more than 50 Elos.
>>>>Shredder 9 was only moderately improved compared to Shredder 8 (if my assessment
>>>>based on what I have read is right). And it is old. Without some new
>>>>revolutionary ideas it simply cannot gain too much.
>>>>
>>>>So once again: 1. Fruit, 2. Rybka, 3. Shredder.
>>>>
>>>>What do yoou think?
>>>>
>>>>Gábor
>>>
>>>well, recently we saw that what we thought was hard to be seen it became
>>>reality.
>>>
>>>Now, my prediction is that in less than 2 years we will have more than 5
>>>programs scoring close to 3000 in the SSDF list and one of them will be
>>>Shredder.
>>>
>>>Now more details:
>>>
>>>1. I expect Rybka 1.2 to get a SSDF Elo about 100 points above Shredder 9
>>>(2918?) and to improve at least 50 points in the following year.
>>>
>>>2. I expect Fruit 3.0 (?) to be about 50 points stronger than 2.2.1 and to
>>>become available late March or April
>>>
>>>3. I expect Shredder 10 to be about 150 points better than 9.0 and to become
>>>available at the end of March and to get 50 points more in about one year...
>>>
>>>4. I expect Gandalf to increase as well and to be close to those programs.
>>>
>>>5. I expect a similar gain by Junior too increasing more than 100 points over
>>>9.0 and to become available before the end of 2006
>>>
>>>6. I expect Hiarcs to increase further 50-80 Elo in one year or so.
>>>
>>>7. I expect Fritz to gain 50 more points in one year or so.
>>>
>>>Why am I so optimistic?
>>>
>>>Because I know how much needs can do to reach goals!
>>>
>>>Sandro
>>
>>I am more optimistic than you about Rybka1.2 and fruit3.0.
>
>Well, maybe Fruit could earn up to 80 more points, but I do not think more than
>that.

80 elo is also my guess for fruit but I also have similiar guess for rybka after
understanding that rybka1.2 will have better search and not only more endgame
knowledge.

Uri



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