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Subject: Re: Noomen matches comparing Rybka Beta 9 Neutral and Optimistic

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 03:58:21 01/12/06

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On January 12, 2006 at 06:14:11, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 12, 2006 at 06:07:47, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>
>>On January 11, 2006 at 23:22:09, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>Since I am not fond of random openings to test something as specific as which
>>>settings are best, I ran two full matches using the Noomen Select positions
>>>against Fruit 2.2 to test the Neutral and Optimistic settings of Rybka Beta 9.
>>>
>>>For those who aren't familiar with them, the Noomen Select positions are a set
>>>similar to those of the Nunn2 set, except there are 40 (leading to 80-game
>>>matches) and they were chosen by well-known opening book designer Joeroen
>>>Noomen.
>>>
>>>The results were interesting, and showed a marked improved performance for the
>>>Optimistic settings.
>>>
>>>Match conditions were:
>>>
>>>Athlon64 3500+ (Venice) + 1GB Ram
>>>Time control: 10mins + 2sec increment
>>>Ponder off; 256MB hashtables each
>>>Noomen Select positions
>>>
>>>Noomen-RybkaB9Neutral-Fruit22  2006
>>>
>>>1   Rybka 1.01 Beta 9 32-bit  2900  +6   +34/-21/=25 58.13%   46.5/80
>>>2   Fruit 2.2                 2850  -6   +21/-34/=25 41.88%  33.5/80
>>>
>>>The GUI said Rybka performed 56 Elo over Fruit 2.2 using the Neutral settings.
>>>
>>>Noomen-RybkaB9Optimistic-Fruit22  2006
>>>
>>>1   Rybka 1.01 Beta 9 32-bit  2900  +52  +36/-13/=31 64.38%  51.5/80
>>>2   Fruit 2.2                 2850  -52  +13/-36/=31 35.63%  28.5/80
>>>
>>>Here the GUI said Rybka performed 102 Elo over Fruit 2.2 using the Optimistic
>>>settings.
>>>
>>>In order to gather more data I'll run a shorter Nunn2 match (only 40 games)
>>>against Gambit Fruit 4bx, which had been the first Beta's toughest opponent in
>>>the Nunn2 set aside from Fruit 2.2 in my testing.
>>>
>>>The rating of 2850 for Fruit was taken from the latest SSDF list, and Rybka's
>>>2900 was chosen arbitrarily.
>>>
>>>                                         Albert
>>
>>Albert,
>>
>>thanks for the data. As I told you in the email, it may be that the neutral
>>setting is good in self-play while the optimistic setting is better for getting
>>bigger scores.
>>
>>Vas
>>
>>ps. Iweta is now watching over my shoulder and gives her greetings - and says
>>that after Budapest, Rio is the best :)
>
>It is also possible that optimistic is simply better against weaker players when
>neutral is better against stronger players or players of the same strength.
>
>The way to test it is to give fruit more time(in case of ponder off) or better
>hardware in case of ponder on) and to test both optimistic and neutral.
>
>Uri

Another possibility (which we will test with Beta 10) is that optimistic is
better in better positions. I will try an "adaptive" approach, where if the
previous iteration gave a score above a section threshold, an optimistic setting
is used.

Vas




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