Author: Eelco de Groot
Date: 07:58:22 01/12/06
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On January 11, 2006 at 15:48:43, Eelco de Groot wrote: >On January 11, 2006 at 06:17:08, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 11, 2006 at 06:11:20, Günther Simon wrote: >> >>>On January 10, 2006 at 18:54:02, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 10, 2006 at 18:40:09, Günther Simon wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 10, 2006 at 18:10:52, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 10, 2006 at 17:05:09, Daniel Mehrmannn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 10, 2006 at 16:48:09, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When I analyze position at multi-pv mode I like to see all the output of the >>>>>>>>engine and not only output of the engine at the last iteration. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Unfortunately interface of chessbase or shredder give me only the last iteration >>>>>>>>when I copy analysis. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The only way that I know to get all the analysis at high depth is to copy the >>>>>>>>analysis at depth 14 and wait and again copy the analysis at depth 15 and wait >>>>>>>>and continue in that way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Is there an interface that can give me all the analysis? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you using CB ? Arena and S9 GUI shows all PV's via scrolling windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Best, >>>>>>>Daniel >>>>>> >>>>>>I did not try arena but only CB and S9 gui. >>>>>> >>>>>>Maybe I do not know the right way but I did not see all the pv's at all depthes >>>>>>in S9 gui when I use multi-pv and I asked shredder to copy the analysis to text >>>>>>file(when I ask the program to analyze only one move I see all the pv's but the >>>>>>same is also for chessbase gui) >>>>>> >>>>>>Here is example from the opening position with 2 options >>>>>> >>>>>>Fruit shows only analysis at depth 14 and not smaller depth >>>>>> >>>>>> 14 0:13 +0.28 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Nc3 Bd7 5.Bd3 Nb4 6.O-O h5 7.Be2 >>>>>>h4 (8.876.249) 682 >>>>>> 14 0:15 +0.28 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Nc3 Bd7 5.Bd3 Nb4 6.O-O h5 7.Be2 >>>>>>h4 (10.752.310) 682 >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>You have to use the 'copy' command not the 'copy last analysis' command >>>>>(BTW Shredder Native saves all debug output anyway in a dump file, >>>>>if you once have told it so...) >>>> >>>>Thanks for telling me about the dump file and it helps but copy and copy last >>>>analysis give the same result for me and the only difference is >>>>cosmetic(analysis is not from the same time but this is the reason for the >>>>difference in the output in the example and you can see only 3 lines in 3 >>>>multi-mode and not previous analysis). >>>> >>>>Note that I use shredder9 gui. >>>> >>>> 15 0:36 +0.14 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 Nc6 3.Nf3 e5 4.Bb5 Bb4 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.Nxe5 O-O >>>>7.O-O Re8 8.d4 Bxc3 9.bxc3 Nxe4 (25.074.650) 684 >>>> 15 0:24 +0.12 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 Nc6 4.Bf4 Nh5 5.Bd2 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bb5 >>>>Bd6 8.O-O (16.596.854) 684 >>>> 15 0:29 +0.11 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 Nc6 5.Bd3 O-O 6.O-O d5 7.Bd2 >>>>Ng4 8.Qe2 (19.906.417) 684 >>>> >>>> >>>>rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - >>>> >>>>Engine: Fruit 2.2 (64 MB) >>>>by Fabien Letouzey >>>> >>>>15 1:12 +0.21 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 >>>> 5.Be3 Qf6 6.c3 Nge7 7.Be2 O-O 8.O-O d5 (49.543.559) 682 >>>> >>>>15 0:36 +0.14 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 Nc6 3.Nf3 e5 4.Bb5 Bb4 >>>> 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.Nxe5 O-O 7.O-O Re8 >>>> 8.d4 Bxc3 9.bxc3 Nxe4 (25.074.650) 682 >>>> >>>>15 0:24 +0.12 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 Nc6 4.Bf4 Nh5 >>>> 5.Bd2 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bb5 Bd6 8.O-O (16.596.854) 682 >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>That's strange, if I use 'copy' I always get all window output. >>>(of course only if continouus display is checked too) >> >>Thanks >> >>This seems to be the problem >>I did not know that I need to check continouus display and I did not look at all >>the options in shredder gui. >> >>Uri > >You probably don't need to do this but in Shredder you can also type 'ucidebug' >and the analysis window shows all UCI communication to the engine. It is not >copied to the analysis files as far as I know. > >Here is an analysis with Gambit Fruit 4bx of the French opening after 1.e4 e6 > >I was curious what lines I would get if it is possible to get good lines and if >there is much "noise" on deeper lines. So far the "noise" in this position is >not very much in the sense that the move order stays reasonably intact, but is >is aolso not absent I think. It would need statistical analysis. The engine >needs a 22 ply analysis to deviate from the exchange variation after 2.d4 to a >more common line 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 > > >This is in ChessPartner with 5 best moves: > >[D]rnbqkbnr/pppp1ppp/4p3/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1 > >21 plies: > >14:12:54.7 0,24 21 3055245470 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bb4+ Nc3 Nf6 O-O O-O >Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Qe8 Rb1 Bd6 Re1 Qe6 Ng6 Bxh2+ Kh1 Qd6 Nxf8 Kxf8 >14:12:54.7 0,24 21 1178843504 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nc6 Bb5 Bb4+ Nc3 Nf6 O-O O-O >Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Qe8 Rb1 Bd6 Re1 Qe6 Ng6 Bxh2+ Kh1 Qd6 Nxf8 Kxf8 >14:12:54.7 0,22 21 2361075470 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 d4 Bb4 Bd3 O-O O-O Nc6 h3 >Bxc3 bxc3 Ne4 c4 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Bf4 Nc3 Qd2 Bxd3 Qxd3 >14:12:54.7 0,12 21 4104513143 Be2 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 O-O Bxc3 >bxc3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bf4 Ne4 c4 Re8 Re1 Bg4 cxd5 Qxd5 >14:12:54.7 0,08 21 1065591704 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Ne7 O-O a6 Ba4 >Bg4 Re1 b5 Bc2 Nd4 Nc3 Nxc2 Qxc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Nc6 > >22 plies now partly finished: > >26:39:51.8 0,26 22 270597104 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 >Nc3 O-O Qd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Kb1 Nc6 a3 Kh8 Bc4 Qd7 >26:39:51.8 0,23 22 407877207 Nc3 d5 d4 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 O-O >Bc4 Nc6 O-O e5 dxe5 fxe5 Qc1 Bg4 Qe3 Qe8 Bd5 Bf5 Neg5 >26:39:51.8 0,22 22 3278011372 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 Nf6 d4 Bb4 Bd3 O-O O-O Nc6 h3 >Re8 Re1 Rxe1+ Qxe1 Bd6 a3 a6 Be3 h6 Qe2 Be6 Re1 >26:39:51.8 0,12 21 4104513143 Be2 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 O-O Bxc3 >bxc3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bf4 Ne4 c4 Re8 Re1 Bg4 cxd5 Qxd5 >26:39:51.8 0,08 21 1065591704 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Ne7 O-O a6 Ba4 >Bg4 Re1 b5 Bc2 Nd4 Nc3 Nxc2 Qxc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Nc6 > It took quite a while to complete the 22 plies, the only change is that Be2 and c4 traded places going from 21 to 22. c4 is back at 0.13 which it already had at 19 ply, so it is possible that the values in between can be considered noisy values. <0.05-0.05-0.06-<0.02-0.13-0.09-0.08-0.13 22 plies complete after 41 hours 27 minutes 41:27:16.3 0,26 22 270597104 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 O-O Qd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Kb1 Nc6 a3 Kh8 Bc4 Qd7 41:27:16.3 0,23 22 407877207 Nc3 d5 d4 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 O-O Bc4 Nc6 O-O e5 dxe5 fxe5 Qc1 Bg4 Qe3 Qe8 Bd5 Bf5 Neg5 41:27:16.3 0,22 22 3278011372 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 Nf6 d4 Bb4 Bd3 O-O O-O Nc6 h3 Re8 Re1 Rxe1+ Qxe1 Bd6 a3 a6 Be3 h6 Qe2 Be6 Re1 41:27:16.3 0,13 22 1287970574 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5+ Nbd7 d4 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7+ Be2 Nxd5 Nc3 N7f6 O-O O-O Re1 Nxc3 bxc3 Ne4 Bd3 Bf5 Qb3 c6 Ng5 41:27:16.3 0,07 22 2739016842 Be2 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 O-O Bd6 d4 Nc6 c4 dxc4 Nbd2 O-O Nxc4 Be6 Bd3 Re8 Bg5 Be7 Qb3 Na5 Qc2 Nxc4 Bxc4 dumpoutput: . . . 26:39:51.8 0,26 22 270597104 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 O-O Qd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Kb1 Nc6 a3 Kh8 Bc4 Qd7 26:39:51.8 0,23 22 407877207 Nc3 d5 d4 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 O-O Bc4 Nc6 O-O e5 dxe5 fxe5 Qc1 Bg4 Qe3 Qe8 Bd5 Bf5 Neg5 26:39:51.8 0,22 22 3278011372 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 Nf6 d4 Bb4 Bd3 O-O O-O Nc6 h3 Re8 Re1 Rxe1+ Qxe1 Bd6 a3 a6 Be3 h6 Qe2 Be6 Re1 26:39:51.8 0,12 21 4104513143 Be2 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bf4 Ne4 c4 Re8 Re1 Bg4 cxd5 Qxd5 26:39:51.8 0,08 21 1065591704 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Ne7 O-O a6 Ba4 Bg4 Re1 b5 Bc2 Nd4 Nc3 Nxc2 Qxc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Nc6 28:25:22.4 0,26 22 270597104 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 O-O Qd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Kb1 Nc6 a3 Kh8 Bc4 Qd7 28:25:22.4 0,23 22 407877207 Nc3 d5 d4 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 O-O Bc4 Nc6 O-O e5 dxe5 fxe5 Qc1 Bg4 Qe3 Qe8 Bd5 Bf5 Neg5 28:25:22.5 0,22 22 3278011372 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 Nf6 d4 Bb4 Bd3 O-O O-O Nc6 h3 Re8 Re1 Rxe1+ Qxe1 Bd6 a3 a6 Be3 h6 Qe2 Be6 Re1 28:25:22.5 0,07 22 2739016842 Be2 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 O-O Bd6 d4 Nc6 c4 dxc4 Nbd2 O-O Nxc4 Be6 Bd3 Re8 Bg5 Be7 Qb3 Na5 Qc2 Nxc4 Bxc4 28:25:22.5 0,08 21 1065591704 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Ne7 O-O a6 Ba4 Bg4 Re1 b5 Bc2 Nd4 Nc3 Nxc2 Qxc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Nc6 41:27:16.3 0,26 22 270597104 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 O-O Qd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Kb1 Nc6 a3 Kh8 Bc4 Qd7 41:27:16.3 0,23 22 407877207 Nc3 d5 d4 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 O-O Bc4 Nc6 O-O e5 dxe5 fxe5 Qc1 Bg4 Qe3 Qe8 Bd5 Bf5 Neg5 41:27:16.3 0,22 22 3278011372 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 Nf6 d4 Bb4 Bd3 O-O O-O Nc6 h3 Re8 Re1 Rxe1+ Qxe1 Bd6 a3 a6 Be3 h6 Qe2 Be6 Re1 41:27:16.3 0,13 22 1287970574 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5+ Nbd7 d4 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7+ Be2 Nxd5 Nc3 N7f6 O-O O-O Re1 Nxc3 bxc3 Ne4 Bd3 Bf5 Qb3 c6 Ng5 41:27:16.3 0,07 22 2739016842 Be2 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 O-O Bd6 d4 Nc6 c4 dxc4 Nbd2 O-O Nxc4 Be6 Bd3 Re8 Bg5 Be7 Qb3 Na5 Qc2 Nxc4 Bxc4
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