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Subject: Re: SMIRF licencing

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 21:46:00 01/13/06

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On January 14, 2006 at 00:10:37, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 13, 2006 at 23:32:04, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On January 13, 2006 at 23:08:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>>>Incorrect.  I think it may have won more than once, but here is one of its
>>>>winning lists:
>>>>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/2640/ssdf/2000/ssdf0001.htm
>>>
>>>Ok I apologize and I was wrong here but it leaded it only for a short time and
>>>by a small difference.
>>>
>>>Rybka is leading rating lists by bigger difference.
>>
>>Rybka is in second place:
>>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/cegtrating4040all.html
>>
>>In case you want to object because of SMP, I would argue that SMP is an advance
>>just like better search or better eval.  It is not the fault of SMK that Rybka
>>and Fruit can't do it yet.
>
>I think that this shredder smp has not enough games and probably rybka is going
>to lead when it get more games.
>
>smp is not something new in computer chess and it is more interesting for me to
>see progress in single processor machines.

They have 4 Core CPUs that will be released shortly.  A 4-way box with 4 cores
per CPU will have 16 CPUs.  There is no way for a non-SMP program to compete
with that.  Absolutely for sure, SMP is the wave of the future.  Daniel Shawul
managed a fairly efficient SMP program in a short period of time.  So it is
possible to do it.

>>>I agree but my point is not about future fruit but about comparing the progress
>>>today and in the past.
>>>
>>>Today it is clear that there is a bigger progress.
>>
>>It's not clear to me.  I think that the biggest jump ever was pre-deep blue to
>>deep blue.
>
>I think that deep blue is not interesting because it was hardware that was
>designed to play chess.

That is incredibly interesting to me.  The very thought of a CPU with an
instruction "Nxb3+" is a weird and happy thought for me.

>Hydra is also uninteresting for me for the same reason.

That is also why Hydra is interesting to me.

>SMP is already used by some top programs like Shredder or Junior for many years
>so I do not see implementing it as a progress in computer chess but only as a
>progress of the specific program when better rating than the top program on
>single processor is a progress in computer chess.

For SMK to continue to lead the SSDF for a long time shows significant progress
in his program.  Whether the progress comes in other programs or in SMK's
program, it is equally interesting to me.



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