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Subject: Re: CCC Retirement

Author: Andreas Guettinger

Date: 06:19:15 01/14/06

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I read CCC regularly for 3-4 years now. As far as I can remember, there was
always a big part of testers and computer tournament freaks posting here. On the
other hand I agree that the level of interesting posts about programming went
back in the last year or two. I think this is because some engine authors
stopped posting here as you said, or choose not to post anymore about chess
programming but just defend themselves and their engines. For example, when was
the last thread you started about programming theory?

It is always the case that when a lot of new engines or versions come out the a
lot of testing takes place. Most of the time I ignore this kind of posts,
because I' more intersted in the programming topics. I started to write a chess
engine as a hobby programmer around the same time as I started to read here on
CCC. Unfortunately my PhD as molecular biologists takes to much time at the
moment to continue programming on my engine. A bad decision to rewrite my
sources from C to C++ (a language that I'm less frequent with) around a year ago
further complicated the goal to improve my engine and decreased my joy in
programming. But I still read the CCC daily to not miss any important
developments.
I think it is completely contraproductive if the rest of the active programmers
leave CCC know. In contrary, they just should start to post more, to bring CCC
back to the same level as it was in the past. I saw some posts from Bruce and
even from Chrilly Donninger in the past that revealed that they check to CCC
from time to time. If there would be more programming threads in CCC, I'm sure
some of them would start posting more frequently. For me as a biologist with
zero educational computer science background, posts about chess programming are
vital to help me continue the development of my engine.

The recent jumps in playing strength from engines like Fruit and Rybka, after
years of stagnation with 30 elo or so increases, points to the dirtection that
engines can still be greatly improved, especially tactically. Humans will fall
behind, because they can't envolve as fast as computers today. Evolution takes
hundreds or thousands of years, unlike computer science. Therefore chess
programming will probably develop away from commercial sales to hobby
programming in the future.

I completely agree with you that Rybkas strength is mainly based on the tactical
level. But I disagree that the evaluation is more important for engines
strength. A decent evaluation is important, but calculation and search is the
domain of the computers, and revolutionary technics there will catapult chess
engines forward, beyond human imaginations. Evaluation seems to be more
important against humans, but against computers tactics seems to be the big
hammer.

After using that much of your time, I let you go now. But what CCC needs is
definitely not less programmers.

sincerely,
Andy



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