Author: Albert Silver
Date: 17:09:05 01/14/06
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On January 14, 2006 at 18:00:22, Roger D Davis wrote:
>On January 14, 2006 at 17:15:39, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>I am just wondering how much improvement vasik has managed from the original
>>beta and the newest beta (please post anything you have). My initial tests
>>against fritz 9 show (4 min 2 sec increment); noomen openings):
>>
>>rybka beta 10 37 - 22
>>rybka beta 35.5 - 23.5
>>
>>
>>(this tourni still going, will post final results soon.)
>>
>>My guess is vasik has maybe improved rybka by 30 points (please present any data
>>you have since this is truley guessing.)
>>
>>I am not sure that adding endgame knowledge will lead to big improvement. Maybe
>>a half point here or there, but i could be wrong. Maybe 20 point boost?
>>
>>Let's say the February release of rybka gets a total of 50 points improvement.
>>This will give it about a 90 point advantage over fruit, based on the CEGT. If
>>fabien keeps improving fruit as he has in the past (see
>>http://www.fruitchess.com/playing-strength.htm), then fruit could very well
>>catch rybka in the next release.
>>
>>
>>I really like the way Fruit 2.2. plays. It offers you very solid advice and
>>seems to understand opening play quite well (will post data on this soon). In
>>playing style, it seems very different from rybka and thus forms a nice
>>complement to this monster fish.
>>
>>
>>best
>>Joseph
>>
>>ps. did fabien ever offer an explanation about why on earth he called his
>>program fruit.
>
>
>Fruit versus Rybka could turn out to be a one of those classic sports rivalries
>(yes, chess programming is a sport), because it pits different kinds of
>expertise against each other. Rybka's author is obviously a great programmer and
>chess IM, but Fruit's author may be the best chess coder alive.
I'm absolutely not putting down Fabien's skills by one iota, but it is strange
to see someone say that when a superior program, even if possibly temporarily,
exists. How do you explain this program's superiority and still claim Fabien is
better? What part of Rybka is so much stronger that it overcomes worse coding?
Albert
>
>Maybe they should join forces and collaborate. :)
>
>Roger
>
>PS. I suspect Fabien called his program Fruit because it was yielding something
>good, as in "bearing fruit," but who knows.
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