Author: Keith Hyams
Date: 23:10:25 01/17/06
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On January 17, 2006 at 14:56:23, Günther Simon wrote:
>On January 17, 2006 at 14:43:01, Keith Hyams wrote:
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>>It seems to me to be simply a matter of being open and applying common sense.
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>> If you use substantial parts of Fruit's evaluation, whether or not you change
>>the names of the variables, then you must acknowledge the fact and let others
>>decide whether or not you have made a clone. If you are not open you risk being
>>accused of deceit. Others make the decision.
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>>If you read Fruit's code and use some of the ideas then again acknowledge the
>>fact and let others decide. Mr Rajlich acknowledged the fact that he thoroughly
>>studied Fruit and he even states that he probably gained 20-30 Elo by doing so.
>>He allows others to decide. So far nobody has claimed that Rybka is a Fruit
>>clone.
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>That's distorting the truth so. There is and never was something wrong
>in studying the ideas in a source and implement them in an own way,
>if they work at all in another programs structure!
No Guenther, I was not distorting the truth, I just thought that the point that
you make here is so obviously true that I did not need to state it!
>This has nada to do with the cloning we talk about here. This cloning
>is just 1:1 copying parts parts of given source or translating it
>into another language.
The point that I was making here is that there is a grey area that exists
between direct copying and totally new concepts and that everybody at some stage
is in that grey area. The programmer cannot be judge and jury in the decision
about whether his work has strayed too far into this area. That is why he has to
be totally open about what he has done - so that others can decide.
I am not quite sure whether you thought that I was claiming that Rybka was
possibly a clone but in case you did, let me say that I was in fact doing
nothing of the sort - I was actually praising the way in which Vas conducts his
business.
I find it slightly alarming that reasoning that I thought at the time was
crystal clear can be so totally misinterpreted by a highly intelligent man like
you.I clearly need to be more careful in future!
Regards
Keith
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