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Subject: Re: that was the answer i hoped for

Author: Tord Romstad

Date: 02:02:33 01/20/06

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On January 20, 2006 at 04:29:38, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:

>>Analysis from e:\rxc5.epd
>>1/19/2006 8:22:37 PM Level: Infinite
>>Analyzing engine: Gothmog
>>
>>1) Rxc5;
>>    Searching move: Rc1xc5
>>    Best move (Gothmog): Rc1xc5
>>    identical moves! Found in: 00:01
>>     2/2	00:00	         590	196.666	+0.25	Nf3e5 Nc5xb3 Ne5xc6
>>     3/3	00:00	       1.656	276.000	+0.25	Nf3e5 Nc5xb3 Ne5xc6 b7xc6 Qd1xb3
>>     4/5	00:00	       3.891	243.187	+0.25	Nf3e5 Nc5xb3 Ne5xc6 b7xc6 Qd1xb3
>>     5/7	00:00	      15.057	242.854	+0.25	Nf3e5 Nc5xb3 Ne5xc6 b7xc6 Qd1xb3
>>Be7xg5
>>     6/8-	00:01	      30.318	238.724	+0.21	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 Rh8f8
>>     6/8-	00:01	      33.137	243.654	+0.18	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 Rh8f8
>>     6/8-	00:01	      35.015	246.584	+0.12	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 Rh8f8
>>     6/8+	00:01	      36.221	246.401	 0.00	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 Rh8f8
>>     6/8+	00:01	      36.476	246.459	+0.03	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 Rh8f8
>>     6/8-	00:01	      38.251	250.006	+0.09	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 Rh8f8
>>     6/8+	00:01	      38.337	248.941	+0.09	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 Rh8f8
>>     6/8	00:01	      38.337	248.941	+0.09	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 Rh8f8
>>     7/9-	00:01	      48.116	251.916	+0.06	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 c7c6
>>     7/9-	00:01	      50.146	254.548	+0.03	Nf3e5 Nc6xa5 Ne5xg6 f7xg6 Bb3d5 c7c6
>>     7/9-	00:01	      56.372	257.406	-0.04	Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 Nc5xd3 Be5xc7
>>Qd8c8
>>     7/9+	00:01	      61.936	255.933	-0.16	Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 Nc5xd3 Be5xc7
>>Qd8c8 Bb3a4+ b7b5
>>     7/9-	00:01	      66.612	259.190	-0.16	Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 Nc5xd3 Be5xc7
>>Qd8c8 Bb3a4+ b7b5
>>     7/9	00:01	      66.612	258.186	-0.16	Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 Nc5xd3 Be5xc7
>>Qd8c8 Bb3a4+ b7b5
>>     8/13-	00:01	     100.073	252.709	-0.19	Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 Nc5xd3 Be5xc7
>>Qd8c8 Bb3a4+ Ke8f8
>>     8/13-	00:01	     107.553	255.470	-0.22	Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 Nc5xd3 Be5xc7
>>Qd8c8 Bb3a4+ Ke8f8
>>     8/13-	00:01	     117.464	258.162	-0.29	Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 Nc5xd3 Be5xc7
>>Qd8c8 Bb3a4+ Ke8f8
>>     8/13-	00:01	     170.639	258.936	-0.44	Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 Nc5xd3 Be5xc7
>>Qd8c8 Bb3a4+ Ke8f8
>>     8/13+	00:01	     178.788	259.489	-0.72	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     8/13+	00:01	     179.609	259.550	-0.69	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     8/13-	00:01	     225.086	257.830	-0.60	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     8/13-	00:01	     262.733	260.389	-0.63	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     8/13+	00:01	     263.114	260.251	-0.66	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     8/13-	00:01	     278.080	257.005	-0.66	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     8/13	00:01	     278.080	257.005	-0.66	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     9/13+	00:01	     285.426	257.140	-0.66	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     9/13+	00:01	     286.551	257.458	-0.63	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4
>>     9/15-	00:02	     486.096	250.178	-0.54	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6
>>     9/15+	00:02	     487.804	250.284	-0.54	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4
>>     9/15	00:02	     487.804	250.155	-0.54	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4
>>    10/15+	00:02	     504.702	250.348	-0.54	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Kg1f1
>>    10/15+	00:02	     506.885	250.437	-0.50	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Kg1f1
>>    10/15+	00:02	     519.437	251.421	-0.38	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 b2b4
>>    10/17-	00:03	     753.667	250.637	-0.13	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 b2b4
>>    10/17-	00:03	     776.679	252.907	-0.16	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 b2b4
>>    10/17-	00:04	     817.324	255.733	-0.22	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 b2b4
>>    10/17-	00:04	     886.206	258.973	-0.38	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 b2b4
>>    10/17	00:04	     886.206	258.897	-0.38	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 b2b4
>>    11/19+	00:04	     948.429	258.497	-0.38	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3
>>    11/19+	00:04	     957.384	259.102	-0.35	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3
>>    11/20+	00:04	   1.008.898	259.757	-0.22	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3
>>    11/20-	00:06	   1.476.769	257.187	+0.03	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 Qd6xc6 Nf3xd4
>>    11/20+	00:06	   1.573.176	258.575	+0.03	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 Qd6xc6 Nf3xd4
>>    11/20	00:06	   1.573.176	258.533	+0.03	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 Qd6xc6 Nf3xd4
>>    12/22-	00:10	   2.414.503	256.752	 0.00	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 Qd6xc6 Nf3xd4 Qc6d7
>>    12/22-	00:10	   2.565.005	260.803	-0.04	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 Qd6xc6 Nf3xd4 Qc6d7
>>    12/22-	00:11	   2.759.088	264.940	-0.10	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 Qd6xc6 Nf3xd4 Qc6d7
>>    12/22-	00:12	   3.104.527	269.326	-0.25	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5
>>    12/22+	00:12	   3.191.352	269.130	-0.54	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5
>>    12/22+	00:12	   3.202.172	269.316	-0.50	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5
>>    12/23-	00:14	   3.705.142	271.618	-0.41	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5
>>    12/23+	00:14	   3.726.842	271.913	-0.41	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5
>>    12/23	00:14	   3.726.842	271.893	-0.41	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5
>>    13/23+	00:15	   3.983.541	271.932	-0.41	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5 e4e5
>>    13/23+	00:15	   4.019.033	272.439	-0.38	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5 e4e5
>>    13/28-	00:29	   7.560.630	262.012	-0.29	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5 e4e5
>>    13/28-	00:32	   8.380.010	263.870	-0.32	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5 e4e5
>>    13/28-	00:35	   9.271.067	265.974	-0.38	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>c7xd6 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Qd1a4 Qd8d7 Qa4xd4 00 Nf3xh4 Qd7xh3 Nh4xg6 Qh3g4+ Kg1h1
>>f7xg6
>>    13/28	00:35	   9.271.067	265.966	-0.38	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>c7xd6 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Qd1a4 Qd8d7 Qa4xd4 00 Nf3xh4 Qd7xh3 Nh4xg6 Qh3g4+ Kg1h1
>>f7xg6
>>    14/28-	01:06	  17.041.333	259.463	-0.41	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5 e4e5 Qd6d7
>>    14/28+	01:08	  17.624.580	259.807	-0.41	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5 Nd4b3 Bg6h5
>>    14/28	01:08	  17.624.580	259.780	-0.41	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2b3 00 Ba4xc6 b7xc6 Nb3xd4 c6c5 Nd4b3 Bg6h5
>>    15/29+	01:14	  19.173.239	260.608	-0.41	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Nc4e5 00 Ba4xc6
>>    15/29+	01:15	  19.498.986	261.331	-0.38	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6f4 Nc4e5 00 Ba4xc6
>>    15/38-	02:05	  32.246.596	258.522	-0.29	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6c5 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Nf3e5 Bg6h5 Qd1a4 00
>>    15/38+	02:08	  33.078.087	259.346	-0.29	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6c5 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Nf3e5 Bg6h5 Qd1d2 00 Ne5d7
>>    15/38	02:08	  33.078.087	259.342	-0.29	Rc1xc5 Be7xc5 Bb3a4 Bc5d6 Bf4xd6
>>Qd8xd6 Nd2c4 Qd6c5 Ba4xc6+ b7xc6 Nf3e5 Bg6h5 Qd1d2 00 Ne5d7
>>   1/19/2006 8:42:39 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 00:01
>>
>>1 of 1 matching moves
>>1/19/2006 8:42:39 PM, Total time: 12:20:02 AM
>>Rated time: 00:01 = 1 Seconds    ?????????????????????????????
>
>Thx for all this testing. You had understand me right and helped to test this
>position with current chessprograms.Only a few find the move and most of them
>have a wrong evaluation which is too pessimistic.
>
>But this last example are obviosly wrong, because you tested Glaurung two times
>and this solutiontime is only a result of hashlearning.

No, it is not.  Gothmog and Glaurung are two different programs by the same
author.  Gothmog, which played 20. Rxc5 after 1 second, does not have any
hash learning at all.

>On my Athlon 64 3800+ needs Glaurung 1.01 1 Min. 50sec to find 20.Rxc5!

That's also well within tournament time control, isn't it?

Tord



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