Author: Christopher Conkie
Date: 15:15:56 01/25/06
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On January 25, 2006 at 16:34:54, Christos Gitsis wrote:
>On January 25, 2006 at 13:03:36, Christopher Conkie wrote:
>
>>What would you say is the fairest method of testing an opening book? Is there a
>>way to bench mark a book?
>
>How about playing really long matches Program_A versus Program_A, Program_B
>versus Program_B, etc., with one instance of each program using one opening
>book, and the other instance using another?
>
>I guess that if the same opening book were used for both instances, the results
>of the matches would ultimately approach 50%-50%. If the results are different
>than that, it could possibly mean that one opening book is stronger than the
>other.
>
>Of course this would require many long matches, which probably nobody is
>interested in running.
>
>Regards,
>Christos.
Probably being the operative word. :-) That is what I would do as well. You do
need a large amount of games to get a really meaningful guide. The problem is
that it is a lengthy way to find out. If you try the same opening with different
engines it can become quite an interesting pastime. Here is an ancient example.
My main thought was that non commital, somewhat universal openings as books
might be very useful.
The Nimzowitsch is not one of those, this much is certain.
Christopher
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[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "B00"]
[WhiteELO "0"]
[BlackELO "0"]
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( 6.Nbd2 ed4 7.Bc4 ( 7.cd4 Bb4 8.Be2 Nf6 ) ( 7.h3 0-0-0 8.Bc4
( 8.Be2 d3 ) Bf3 ) Qh5 8.0-0 ( 8.cd4 0-0-0 ) ( 8.h3 dc3 ) 0-0-0 )
( 6.de5 Qd1+ 7.Kd1 Ne5 8.Nbd2 0-0-0 ) ed4 7.cd4 ( 7.Nd4 Nd4 8.f3
Nf3+ 9.Bf3 Qd1+ 10.Bd1 Bd1 11.Kd1 0-0-0+ ) 0-0-0 )
( 4.Nf3 Bg4 ( 4...e5 5.de5 ( 5.Nc3 Bb4 ) Qd1+ 6.Kd1 Bg4 7.Be2
0-0-0+ 8.Bd2 Bf3 ) 5.c4 ( 5.h3 Bf3 6.gf3 ( 6.Qf3 Qf3 7.gf3 Nd4 )
Nd4 7.Be2 ) Qa5+ 6.Bd2 ( 6.Qd2 Nb4 7.Na3 Nf6 8.Kd1
( 8.Ke2 0-0-0 ) ( 8.Nb5 Ne4 ) ( 8.Be2 Ne4 ) Bf3+ ) )
( 4.Nc3 Qd4 5.Be3 ( 5.Bd3 Nb4 6.Nge2 ( 6.Nf3 Nd3+ 7.cd3 Qd8 )
( 6.Nb5 Qe5+ 7.Be2 ( 7.Be3 c6 8.Nc3 ( 8.Nd4 Qd5 ) Qd6 ) Bg4 8.f4
( 8.Qd4 Nc2+ ) ( 8.Bd2 0-0-0 ) Qc5 ) ( 6.Bd2 Nd3+ 7.cd3 Bf5 )
Nd3+ 7.cd3 ( 7.Qd3 Qd3 8.cd3 Bf5 ) ) Qd1+ 6.Nd1 ( 6.Rd1 Bf5 7.Bd3
Bd3 8.Rd3 e5 ) Nb4 7.Bd3 Nd3+ 8.cd3 Bf5 ) e5 5.Nf3
( 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Nge2 ( 6.de5 Qe5 7.Qd2 ( 7.Bb5 {??} Bc3+ {!} 8.bc3
Qb5 ) ( 7.Nge2 Nf6 ) ( 7.Nf3 Bc3+ 8.bc3 Qc3+ ) Nf6 )
( 6.a3 Bc3+ 7.bc3 Qa5 8.de5 Qc3+ 9.Bd2 Qe5+ ) ed4 7.Nd4 Bc3+
8.bc3 Nge7 ) ( 5.c3 Nf6 6.Nf3 ( 6.f3 ) Bg4 7.Be2 0-0-0 8.0-0
( 8.Nbd2 ed4 ) ( 8.h3 ed4 ) ( 8.a3 ed4 ) e4 ) ( 5.Ne2 Bb4+
( 5...Qa5+ 6.Bd2 Qb6 7.Nbc3 ( 7.b3 Nd4 8.Nd4 ( 8.c3 Nf5 )
( 8.Be3 Bc5 ) ( 8.Nbc3 Nf6 ) Qd4 ) ( 7.Qc1 ed4 8.Ng3
( 8.Nf4 Nf6 ) Be6 ) Nd4 8.Nd4 ed4 ) 6.Nbc3 ( 6.c3 Bd6 7.Nd2
( 7.a3 ed4 8.cd4 Nf6 ) ( 7.c4 Qc4 ) Nf6 ) ( 6.Nec3 {??} ed4 {!} )
( 6.Nd2 ed4 7.Nd4 Nd4 8.c3 Bg4 9.f3 ( 9.Qg4 {?} Nc2+ ) ) ed4
7.Nd4 Bc3+ 8.bc3 Nge7 9.Nb5 Qe5 ) ( 5.de5 Qd1+ 6.Kd1 Ne5 7.h3
( 7.f4 Ng4 8.Bd4 ( 8.Kd2 Bb4+ ) ( 8.Ke2 Bf5 ) c5 )
( 7.Nc3 Ng4 8.Bd4 ( 8.Bb5+ c6 ) c5 ) ) Bg4 6.Be2 ( 6.de5 Qd1+
7.Kd1 ) ( 6.Nc3 Qa5 7.de5 ( 7.Bd2 Nd4 8.Nb5 Qb6 9.Nbd4 ed4 10.Qe2+
Ne7 11.Qb5+ Nc6 ) ( 7.d5 0-0-0 8.a3 ( 8.h3 ) ( 8.Be2 Nf6 ) )
( 7.Be2 Ba3 8.ba3 Bf3 9.Bf3 ( 9.0-0 Bg2 10.Kg2 Qc3 11.de5
( 11.Bd2 Qd4 ) Nge7 ) Qc3+ ) ( 7.Bb5 0-0-0 8.Bc6 ( 8.d5 Nb4 )
ed4 ) ) e4 7.Nc3 ( 7.h3 ef3 8.gf3 Bf5 9.Nc3 Bb4 10.Qd2
( 10.Bd2 Qd4 ) Bc3 ( 10...Qa5 ) 11.Qc3 0-0-0 ) ( 7.Nfd2 Be2 8.Qe2
Qf5 ) ( 7.Ng5 Be2 8.Qe2 Bb4+ 9.Nc3 ( 9.c3 Be7 10.Nh3
( 10.h4 ) ( 10.Qg4 ) ( 10.c4 Qa5+ 11.Bd2 Qf5 12.Qe4 Qe4+ 13.Ne4
Nd4 14.Kd1 0-0-0 15.Na3 ( 15.Nbc3 ) f5 ) ) ( 9.Nd2 Bd2+ 10.Qd2
( 10.Bd2 Nd4 ) 0-0-0 ) ) Bb4 8.Nd2 Bc3 9.bc3 ( 9.Bg4 Bb2 10.c4
( 10.Rb1 Bd4 ) Qd6 ) Be2 10.Qe2 Nf6 11.c4 ( 11.Rb1 0-0 12.c4
( 12.Rb7 {?} Nd4 13.cd4 ( 13.Bd4 Qb7 ) Qb7 ) Qd6 13.c3
( 13.d5 Nb4 ) ( 13.Rb7 Nd4 14.Bd4 Qd4 ) b6 ) *
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