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Subject: Re: why, is fritz 9 so neglected here?

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 10:13:55 01/27/06

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On January 27, 2006 at 08:36:00, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On January 27, 2006 at 07:24:54, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2006 at 00:31:43, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:
>>
>>>The CCC does not seem to have  as much interest in talking about Fritz 9,
>>>compared to other chess engines (Rybka, fruit 2.2.1, and hiarcs ). I wonder why
>>>this is? Fritz 9 seems to be one of the few programs that consistently gives
>>>rybka some problems and is probably the number 2 or 3 engine on a single
>>>processor. It's pretty darn strong.
>>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps here are some reasons for people not talking so much about fritz
>>>
>>>1) people don't like fritz gui and often don't own it
>>>2) Fritz and chessbase have dominated for so long that people love to hate them
>>>and cheer against them
>>>3) fritz is a big corprate power, and the programers for rybka and fruit are
>>>brilliant individuals challenging the corporation
>>>
>>>or am i way off base?
>>
>>The answer is simple - people post what they want to post about.
>
>
>The answer is too simple and almost wrong therefore.
>

Simplicity doesn't make it worng.  People post what they want to post - you
disagree?

>
>
>>I think Fritz
>>is a well respected engine that has been around a long time and always near the
>>top of the charts.  IMO, it is one those rare engines that was near the top 12-
>>13 years ago and it is still near the top, i.e., it has kept with the changes in
>>chess programming.  Fritz has always been known to provide very reliable pvs and
>>play very sound.  It is known for being avery difficult engine for humans (more
>>so that others).
>
>
>You see it yourself? It just doesnt make sense to compare apples and oranges.
>Fritz was never intended to become first place in a engine vs engine ranking.
>The main priority was the quality offered to the chessplayers. Chessplayers are
>usually not the most interested testers of engine vs engine autoplayed games...
>Sigh.

No disagreement - certain authors have always targeted hunman opponents -
Hiarcs, Crafty, Rebel Fritz etc.


>
>To Rybka in difference to Fritz I must add that normally the charta here forbids
>advertising. All the public beta-testing IS advertisement. It's not evil per se
>but it becomes a scandal if programs like - say - Gandalf are neglected. I never
>mentioned Gandalf before but I must speak it out. The whole campaign here is a)
>a violation of the charta and b) the neglection of more peaceful and reserved
>programmers like the ones of Gandalf or say The King. Or of The Thinker.
>
>You cant just "explain" everything with the will of the masses. Otherwise we end
>in something well different that a democratic CCC. If we could control the
>identities one would get the neccessary result that would prove the intention of
>advertisement. - Now that is why nobody speaks about Fritz although the
>commercial interests are well existing to advertise for Fritz but that wouldnt
>be tolerated. That's it, if we look at it a bit deeper.

My posts are nothing about advertising - Rybka is just breath of new life in
chess engines --- I'm sorry you feel that way.



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