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Subject: Re: Where is the Rybka limit ? Has been fixed the chessbase interfase?

Author: Rafael Vasquez

Date: 10:29:16 01/27/06

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Uri,

For testing purpouses:

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1980.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "Nikolic"]
[Black "Arsovic"]
[ECO "?"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "538"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 Nbd7 7.O-O e5 8.Re1 Re8 9.Bf1
h6 10.d5 Nh7 11.Rb1 f5 12.Nd2 f4 13.b4 g5 14.Nb3 Bf8 15.Be2 Ndf6 16.c5 g4
17.cxd6 cxd6 18.a3 Ng5 19.Bf1 Re7 20.Qd3 Rg7 21.Kh1 Qe8 22.Nd2 g3 23.fxg3 fxg3
24.Qxg3 Nh3 25.Qf3 Qg6 26.Nc4 Bd7 27.Bd3 Ng5 28.Bxg5 Qxg5 29.Ne3 Re8 30.Ne2 Be7
31.Rbd1 Rf8 32.Nf5 Ng4 33.Neg3 h5 34.Kg1 h4 35.Qxg4 Qxg4 36.Nh6+ Kh7 37.Nxg4
hxg3 38.Ne3 gxh2+ 39.Kxh2 Rh8 40.Rh1 Kg6+ 41.Kg1 Rc8 42.Be2 Rc3 43.Rd3 Rc1+
44.Nf1 Bd8 45.Rh8 Bb6+ 46.Kh2 Rh7+ 47.Rxh7 Kxh7 48.Nd2 Bg1+ 49.Kh1 Bd4+ 50.Nf1
Bg4 51.Bxg4 Rxf1+ 52.Kh2 Bg1+ 53.Kh3 Re1 54.Bf5+ Kh6 55.Kg4 Re3 56.Rd1 Bh2
57.Rh1 Rg3+ 58.Kh4 Rxg2 59.Kh3 Rg3+ 60.Kxh2 Rxa3 61.Rg1 Ra6 62.Rg6+ Kh5 63.Kg3
Rb6 64.Rg7 Rxb4 65.Bc8 a5 66.Bxb7 a4 67.Bc6 a3 68.Ra7 Rb3+ 69.Kf2 Kg5 70.Ke2 Kf4
71.Ra4 Rh3 72.Kd2 a2 73.Bb5 Rh1 74.Rxa2 Rh2+ 75.Be2 Kxe4 76.Ra5 Kd4 77.Ke1 Rh1+
78.Kf2 Rc1 79.Bg4 Rc2+ 80.Ke1 e4 81.Be6 Ke5 82.Bg8 Rc8 83.Bf7 Rc7 84.Be6 Rc2
85.Ra8 Rb2 86.Ra6 Rg2 87.Kd1 Rb2 88.Ra5 Rg2 89.Bd7 Rh2 90.Bc6 Kf4 91.Ra8 e3
92.Re8 Kf3 93.Rf8+ Ke4 94.Rf6 Kd3 95.Bb5+ Kd4 96.Rf5 Rh1+ 97.Ke2 Rh2+ 98.Kd1
Rh1+ 99.Kc2 Rh2+ 100.Kc1 Rh1+ 101.Kc2 Rh2+ 102.Kd1 Rh1+ 103.Ke2 Rh2+ 104.Kf1 Rb2
105.Be2 Ke4 106.Rh5 Rb1+ 107.Kg2 Rb2 108.Rh4+ Kxd5 109.Kf3 Kc5 110.Kxe3 Rb3+
111.Bd3 d5 112.Rh8 Ra3 113.Re8 Kd6 114.Kd4 Ra4+ 115.Kc3 Ra3+ 116.Kd4 Ra4+
117.Ke3 Ra3 118.Rh8 Ke5 119.Rh5+ Kd6 120.Rg5 Rb3 121.Kd2 Rb8 122.Bf1 Re8 123.Kd3
Re5 124.Rg8 Rh5 125.Bg2 Kc5 126.Rf8 Rh6 127.Bf3 Rd6 128.Re8 Rc6 129.Ra8 Rb6
130.Rd8 Rd6 131.Rf8 Ra6 132.Rf5 Rd6 133.Kc3 Rd8 134.Rg5 Rd6 135.Rh5 Rd8 136.Rf5
Rd6 137.Rf8 Ra6 138.Re8 Rc6 139.Ra8 Rb6 140.Ra5+ Rb5 141.Ra1 Rb8 142.Rd1 Rd8
143.Rd2 Rd7 144.Bg2 Rd8 145.Kd3 Ra8 146.Ke3 Re8+ 147.Kd3 Ra8 148.Kc3 Rd8 149.Bf3
Rd7 150.Kd3 Ra7 151.Bg2 Ra8 152.Rc2+ Kd6 153.Rc3 Ra2 154.Bf3 Ra8 155.Rb3 Ra5
156.Ke3 Ke5 157.Rd3 Rb5 158.Kd2 Rc5 159.Bg2 Ra5 160.Bf3 Rc5 161.Bd1 Rc8 162.Bb3
Rc5 163.Rh3 Kf4 164.Kd3 Ke5 165.Rh5+ Kf4 166.Kd4 Rb5 167.Bxd5 Rb4+ 168.Bc4 Ra4
169.Rh7 Kg5 170.Rf7 Kg6 171.Rf1 Kg5 172.Kc5 Ra5+ 173.Kc6 Ra4 174.Bd5 Rf4 175.Re1
Rf6+ 176.Kc5 Rf5 177.Kd4 Kf6 178.Re6+ Kg5 179.Be4 Rf6 180.Re8 Kf4 181.Rh8 Rd6+
182.Bd5 Rf6 183.Rh1 Kf5 184.Be4+ Ke6 185.Ra1 Kd6 186.Ra5 Re6 187.Bf5 Re1
188.Ra6+ Ke7 189.Be4 Rc1 190.Ke5 Rc5+ 191.Bd5 Rc7 192.Rg6 Rd7 193.Rh6 Kd8
194.Be6 Rd2 195.Rh7 Ke8 196.Kf6 Kd8 197.Ke5 Rd1 198.Bd5 Ke8 199.Kd6 Kf8 200.Rf7+
Ke8 201.Rg7 Rf1 202.Rg8+ Rf8 203.Rg7 Rf6+ 204.Be6 Rf2 205.Bd5 Rf6+ 206.Ke5 Rf1
207.Kd6 Rf6+ 208.Be6 Rf2 209.Ra7 Kf8 210.Rc7 Rd2+ 211.Ke5 Ke8 212.Kf6 Rf2+
213.Bf5 Rd2 214.Rc1 Rd6+ 215.Be6 Rd2 216.Rh1 Kd8 217.Rh7 Rd1 218.Rg7 Rd2
219.Rg8+ Kc7 220.Rc8+ Kb6 221.Ke5 Kb7 222.Rc3 Kb6 223.Bd5 Rh2 224.Kd6 Rh6+
225.Be6 Rh5 226.Ra3 Ra5 227.Rg3 Rh5 228.Rg2 Ka5 229.Rg3 Kb6 230.Rg4 Rb5 231.Bd5
Rc5 232.Rg8 Rc2 233.Rb8+ Ka5 234.Bb3 Rc3 235.Kd5 Rc7 236.Kd4 Rd7+ 237.Bd5 Re7
238.Rb2 Re8 239.Rb7 Ka6 240.Rb1 Ka5 241.Bc4 Rd8+ 242.Kc3 Rh8 243.Rb5+ Ka4
244.Rb6 Rh3+ 245.Bd3 Rh5 246.Re6 Rg5 247.Rh6 Rc5+ 248.Bc4 Rg5 249.Ra6+ Ra5
250.Rh6 Rg5 251.Rh4 Ka5 252.Rh2 Rg3+ 253.Kd4 Rg5 254.Bd5 Ka4 255.Kc5 Rg3
256.Ra2+ Ra3 257.Rb2 Rg3 258.Rh2 Rc3+ 259.Bc4 Rg3 260.Rb2 Rg5+ 261.Bd5 Rg3
262.Rh2 Rc3+ 263.Bc4 Rg3 264.Rh8 Ka3 265.Ra8+ Kb2 266.Ra2+ Kb1 267.Rf2 Kc1
268.Kd4 Kd1 269.Bd3 Rg7 1/2-1/2

Rafael

On January 27, 2006 at 10:44:56, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 27, 2006 at 10:35:34, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2006 at 06:42:16, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>>
>>>On January 26, 2006 at 21:13:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 26, 2006 at 19:50:56, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello  to everyone into WWW with all respect.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have played many games in private against the great Rybka in orthodox lines,
>>>>>just a few antichess.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have made many matches between engines, and Rybka have been the absolute
>>>>>engine champion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rybka is doing an incredible space job playing against other engines
>>>>>.......Rybka is playing a superior chess in 2006, its look as a Kasparov or
>>>>>Karpov in more strong and perfect level that them ..........
>>>>>
>>>>>Today I have started my job into Playchess in 2006. I hope will be doing new
>>>>>things playing engines and I would like to will punting good games for everyone
>>>>>into chess communities........
>>>>>
>>>>>.................... First game, first new discover ......  Rybka have gone far
>>>>>away of the 256 chessbase interface move, and have got a draw some strange
>>>>>............ here the game ...........
>>>>
>>>>The 256 move limit is no real limit.
>>>>
>>>>The problem is simply that engines get wrong information and it can cause them
>>>>to lose on time.
>>>>
>>>>I believe that rybka allow you repetition because of the wrong information.
>>>>
>>>>The wrong information that engines get from the interface is wrong time(3
>>>>minutes for the rest of the game in case of blitz 3 minutes per game) and not
>>>>getting move but getting fen.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Uri --
>>>
>>>this is news to me. Are you sure that some GUIs will send the fen rather than
>>>the move list? Working around this on the engine side would require remembering
>>>previously analyzed positions, which defeats the UCI approach.
>>>
>>>Vas
>>
>>I am not sure about latest GUI but I am sure that after more than 256 moves
>>fritz sent movei only fen and not a move based on the log file.
>>
>>It usually does not happen when games have more than 256 moves so the best way
>>to test it is simply to do nunn match from a game that has already 250 moves and
>>is not going to be finished in a few moves.
>>
>>I found that in the first moves everything was ok but after getting the limit of
>>256 moves the engine simply did not get moves but only fen after every move.
>>
>>Uri
>
>The problem is also wrong times that movei got from the interface of fritz8(I am
>not sure if it is the last interface of fritz8 and I think that I downloaded
>some update later and did not check it again after updating the interface).
>
>I can add that I will probably not try to fix the problem because if my memory
>is correct I need to write a function that get the last move of the opponent
>based on the fen and I do not like to do it for rare cases under chessbase.
>
>I also do not remember at this point exactly what commands movei got from the
>chessbase interface and I do not think that it is my job to write a code for
>these rare cases.
>
>Note that code for these rare cases can only help for games of less than 300
>moves under chessbase because after 300 moves the interface simply refuse to
>make moves and if you give it a game with more than 300 moves it refuse to read
>it(again I am not sure about the last interface of fritz8 and I do not have
>fritz9).
>
>Uri



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