Author: chandler yergin
Date: 06:44:03 01/29/06
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On January 28, 2006 at 20:13:07, Terry McCracken wrote: >On January 28, 2006 at 19:45:03, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On January 28, 2006 at 19:36:18, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On January 28, 2006 at 10:15:23, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On January 28, 2006 at 08:54:23, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>> >>>>>[Event "Corus Chess 2006"] >>>>>[Site "Wijk aan Zee"] >>>>>[Date "2006.01.28"] >>>>>[Round "12"] >>>>>[White "Topalov"] >>>>>[Black "Anand"] >>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"] >>>>>[Annotator "?"] >>>>>[PlyCount "45"] >>>>>[EventDate "2006.??.??"] >>>>> >>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bc5 7. a4 Rb8 8. c3 >>>>>O-O 9. d4 Bb6 10. axb5 axb5 11. dxe5 Ng4 12. Na3 Ncxe5 13. h3 d6 14. Qe2 Nxf3+ >>>>>15. Qxf3 Ne5 16. Qg3 Be6 17. Bxe6 fxe6 18. Nxb5 Rxf2 19. Rxf2 Bxf2+ 20. Qxf2 >>>>>Rxb5 21. Qe2 Rb8 22. Bf4 Qf6 23. Rf1 1/2-1/2 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Topalov - Anand, Corus Chess 2006: >>>>> >>>>>[D]1rbq1rk1/2pp1ppp/1b6/1p2n3/4P1n1/NBP2N1P/1P3PP1/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 1 >>>>> >>>>>Anand (as black!) played here very and strong fantastic move 13...d6!? >>>> >>>>It loses by Analysis >>> >>>By Fritz 5.32? Why not use a better engine and your head? I mean you were an >>>USCF Expert Chan. There is no question that analysis has shown a draw after >>>13..d6 14.hg..Bxg4= . I won't go into it as other members have shown some >>>reasonable analysis. Anand had either done his homework, or just saw it OTB, >>>which he is quite capable of doing. >>>>> >>>>>Which program can it finds? >>>>> >>>>>Or are such moves a other dimension "over" computers? >>>> >>>>New game >>>>[D]1rbq1rk1/2pp1ppp/1b6/1p2n3/4P1n1/NBP2N1P/1P3PP1/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 1 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Fritz 5.32: >>>> >>>>1. ² (0.44): 1...Nxf3+ 2.Qxf3 Ne5 3.Qg3 d6 4.Bg5 Qd7 5.Bf6 Ng6 6.Bd4 >>>>2. ² (0.62): 1...Nxf2 2.Rxf2 Bxf2+ 3.Kxf2 Nxf3 4.Qxf3 b4 5.cxb4 Qh4+ 6.Kf1 >>>>3. ² (0.62): 1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nxf2 3.Kxf2 >>>>4. ² (0.62): 1...b4 2.cxb4 Nxf2 3.Rxf2 Bxf2+ >>>>5. +- (1.44): 1...d6 2.hxg4 Bxg4 3.Bf4 Bxf3 4.gxf3 Qf6 5.Bxe5 dxe5 6.Nxb5 >>>>6. +- (1.97): 1...d5 2.hxg4 Bxg4 3.Qxd5 Nxf3+ 4.gxf3 Bxf3 5.Qf5 Be2 6.Bg5 >>>> >>>>(Yergin, MyTown 28.01.2006) >>> >>>BTW Fritz5.32 gives a much better score for Black than this after you force the >>>moves 13..d6 14.gxf4..Bxg4. Albiet this is shallow analysis. >>> >>> >>>Analysis by Fritz 5.32: >>> >>>1. ± (0.75): 15.Nc2 Bxf3 16.gxf3 Qf6 17.Ne1 Qg6+ 18.Kh2 Qh5+ 19.Kg3 Qg6+ >>>2. = (0.00): 15.Bd5 Nxf3+ 16.gxf3 Qh4 17.fxg4 Qg3+ 18.Kh1 Qh3+ 19.Kg1 Qg3+ >>> >>>(McCracken, none 28.01.2006) >>> >>> >>>Or Shredder 8... >>> >>>Analysis by Shredder 8: >>> >>>1. ² (0.27): 15.Nc2 Bxf3 16.gxf3 Qf6 17.Ne1 Qg6+ 18.Kh2 Qh5+ 19.Kg3 Qg6+ 20.Kh4 >>>Rfe8 21.Bf4 Qf6+ 22.Kg3 b4 23.Qd2 bxc3 24.Qc2 >>>2. = (-0.06): 15.Bd5 c6 16.Bb3 Nxf3+ 17.gxf3 Bh3 18.Bf4 Bxf1 19.Kxf1 Qh4 20.Bg3 >>>Qh3+ 21.Ke1 Qh1+ 22.Kd2 Qh6+ 23.Kc2 Qd2+ 24.Kxd2 Be3+ 25.Kxe3 >>> >>>(McCracken, none 28.01.2006) >>> >>>Regardless, White isn't winning and that is the point of 12..d6!, to equalize. >>> >>>12..b4 may be a good try as well? Anyway, your remark, "It loses by analysis." >>>is incorrect, unless you believe the output you provided is best. It's not the >>>best IMO. >>> >>>Terry >>Sorry Terry, I was going by the position given on the Board. >>It is correct. >>If you want to go a few more moves ahead of course the Evaluation may change. >>But what is surprising in that? > >You gave the impression, Black was lost after 13..d6, at least that's how it >appeared to me. > > >What is your take on Anand's move 13..d6...? Computers not withstanding. > >Terry I like it! I never trust Computers! Humans can see the long term positional factors that a Computer would never find! Thanks for asking Terry! Best to ya my friend! Chan
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