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Subject: Re: EGTB access and playing strength

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 18:19:46 01/29/06

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On January 29, 2006 at 19:18:07, Vasik Rajlich wrote:

>On January 29, 2006 at 10:42:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>This reminds me of a "hobby" of mine, playing blackjack.
>>
>>Card counters often discuss the many "basic strategy departure index plays" and
>>ask "how important is it to learn the indexes for the uncommon plays like when
>>to double 8 vs 6 and the like?"
>>
>>The answer is in two parts:
>>
>>(1) the hands are not very common, which means playing them correctly or
>>incorrectly will not have a great influence on your long-term winning edge;  but
>>
>>(2) when the situation comes up, and you have a big bet on the table because of
>>the positive count, suddenly that "not very important play" can be the
>>difference between a couple of hundred bucks and zero.
>>
>>So while they are not used often, when they are used it is sometimes critical.
>>I have seen Crafty win many KRP vs KR endings where its internal evaluation
>>thinks it is a draw because the enemy king is too close to the promotion square,
>>but due to a subtle rook move it is exactly one square too far away.  This is
>>nice to know if you enter some long combination where the final position is the
>>resulting KRP vs KR ending, and you just traded everything away in a winning
>>position to reach what you hope is a really winning position.
>
>I agree that tablebases are nice to have. Sometimes they help, and they never
>hurt. If only every engine change was like this :)
>
>However, it looks like they help too rarely to show up on the Elo charts.
>
>Vas


oh they show up all right --- my guess is that they are worth about 5 elo points
   -- now if we went to 32 man EGTB's, things might be a little different ;>)

also great work with Rybka -- an amazing engine imo ....

best,

Michael



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