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Subject: Re: Rybka will lose to Topalov -Comment of C. Donninger

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 11:58:12 01/31/06

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On January 31, 2006 at 08:05:12, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 31, 2006 at 07:29:27, ramon  b. de robles wrote:
>
>>Thanks Uri and Martin for the wonderful info about Rybka.
>>
>>I will test Rybka using the ECE and MES as well as SUNEPOS from Rebel Site.
>>How about the underpromotions, Is it OK ?
>>
>>So what is Vas saying of adding additional endgame heuristics. After that
>>addition, Rybka will be almost unbeatable.
>>
>>And how about the comment of Mr. Donninger . Is this comment valid/true ?
>>
>>Chrilly Donninger
>>
>>I experimented recently with a Shredder-style search in Hydra. The
>>single-processor Shredder/Hydra completely demolished Shredder. If two programs
>>are similar, the strength difference is enlarged. Its therefore a bad idea to
>>tune a programme against itself. But the Shredder/Hydra made only 40% against
>>Rybka. Changing back to the standard Hydra-search its between 75-80%. Rybka is
>>regularily "killed" in king-attacks.
>>
>>One conclusion of my experiment is: Rybka seems to be fairly tuned against
>>Shredder. This is always the fate of the leader of the gang. In the future other
>>programs will be tuned against Rybka and it will be much more difficult to stay
>>on the top.
>
>I agree that Rybka has some weakness in evaluating king attacks but Chrilly does
>not want to discover what is Shredder style search.
>
>I remember also that he does not want to discover the pruning that he does in
>hydra because he said one mistake of revealing null move pruning was enough.
>
>Chrilly is clearly not open about what hydra does and I do not trust what he
>says when his program is private.
>
>Hydra did not play in the last tournaments and it is clearly possible that hydra
>is weaker than rybka.
>
>Uri

Hello Uri,
I think you are right to say Chrilly does not want to disclose his secrets about
Hydra.  My question is.  Why not??  Since Hydra is not a commercial venture for
profit I don't understand his secrecy.  Maybe he doesn't want people to know
what it's weakness is.  In any case I find Hydra about as interesting as Deep
Blue (zero).  If I can't play with it then it's of no value to me.
Jim



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