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Subject: Re: Rybka's oddity! Can anyone reproduce this......?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:44:30 02/02/06

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On February 02, 2006 at 16:07:20, George Tsavdaris wrote:

> I noticed a strange behaviour and definitely a bad one from latest Rybka, and
>for Winfinder so that means it should be a general bad behaviour of Rybka
>family:-)  Possible bug that prevents correct analysis.....
>
> This behaviour is noticed at Fritz 8 GUI(i haven't tried Arena yet). It is also
>happening at Deep Fritz 8 GUI. It must be a hashproblem or something.....
> Conditions(I'll describe the procedure i followed--Keep in mind that the values
>for the seconds i've made analysing between the moves should not play any role
>at all and different values would produce the problem again):
>
>Set the following game:
>
>[Event "??"]
>[Site ""]
>[Date "2005.01.03"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Tsavdaris"]
>[Black "????"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[PlyCount "54"]
>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>
>1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. c4 c6 6. Nc3 cxd5 7. d4 Bb4 8. Be2
>Ne4 9. O-O Bxc3 10. bxc3 Nxc3 11. Qc2 Nxe2+ 12. Qxe2+ Be6 13. Ba3 dxc4 14. d5
>Qxd5 15. Rad1 Qb5 16. Nd4 Qb6 17. Kh1 Nd7 18. Rxf4 O-O-O 19. Nxe6 Qxe6 20.
>Rxc4+ Kb8 21. Qxe6 fxe6 22. Rcd4 b5 23. Rxd7 Rxd7 24. Rxd7 Rc8 25. Bd6+ Ka8 26.
>Bc7 a6 27. Rxg7 Rf8 1-0
>
>-Set Rybka as an engine, clear hashtables and set it to let's say 256 MB.
>-Go to move 14 for black and start analysis with Rybka(multivariation with 4
>lines i had) for some seconds(4-5).
>-It displays the move Rad1 as best. Press the "Right Key" button from the
>keyboard in order the next move to be executed while the analysis will continue.
>-Press the "Right Key" button again after 1-2 seconds so the move Qb5 will be
>played.
>-Press the "Right Key" button again after 4-5 seconds so the move Nd4 will be
>played.
>-Press the "Right Key" button again after 1-2 seconds.
>Now Rybka displays 17.Rxf4 as the best move with -2.00 evaluation!
>So what? Well if we clear at that point the hashtables then Rybka displays the
>correct evaluation and correct move which is 17.Kh1 with a positive score.
>
> Also if we put the position with white at move 17 to play, to Rybka to analyse
>then we get the correct analysis. But if we have the analysis open from move 15
>and continue up to move 17 for white we get 17.Rxf4????
>
>
>Can anyone reproduce this.....?

I could reproduce it in 3 option mode

Here is the pv at depth 14

Tsavdaris,  2005
rn2k2r/pp3ppp/1q2b3/8/2pN1p2/B7/P3Q1PP/3R1RK1 w kq - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b 32-bit:

1. -+  (-2.38): 17.Rxf4
2. -+  (-2.38): 17.Kh1
3. -+  (-2.53): 17.Bb2

(,  03.02.2006)

depth 15:

Tsavdaris,  2005
rn2k2r/pp3ppp/1q2b3/8/2pN1p2/B7/P3Q1PP/3R1RK1 w kq - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b 32-bit:

1. -+  (-2.44): 17.Rxf4
2. -+  (-2.44): 17.Kh1
3. -+  (-2.59): 17.Bb2

(,  03.02.2006)

one of the strenge things is that there is no pv for none of the lines

Uri



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