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Subject: Re: To Ryan B. about Hydra-Rybka.......

Author: George Tsavdaris

Date: 16:57:25 02/02/06


As an answer to: http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?483948

>Chrilly said Hydra got 75-80% vs Rybka and I have no reason not to trust him on
>such issues.

Yes, but there is a problem on this:

 Suppose that Dr Donninger is right and Hydra on ONE single processor is winning
against Rybka on one processor by 77.5% (the mean value of 0.75 and 0.80).
 Then Hydra on 32 processors, full power, i would expect it with a rather
pessimistic guess, to gain at least 15% to 20% more in the match against Rybka
from what single Hydra did (15 to 20% is used as a sum difference and not with
the usual meaning of % gain). That means 92.5% to 97.5% performance. And that is
with the best at the moment PC-engine right now, Rybka.  And all that with a
pessimistic guess of 15% to 20% gain from 1 to 32 processors.
 So against the old Fritz 8 for example we could have even 98% ++ performances.


Sorry but i can't accept this and i controvert his statements....
 In my opinion he just wants to keep the legent of Hydra alive but without games
i think this is not possible.....


 Note that the 15 to 20% gain difference from Hydra(32) to Rybka(1)(i say again
that 15 to 20% is used here as a sum difference from 77.5& and not with the
usual meaning of % gain), corresponds to a +220 ELO difference of Hydra(32) to
Hydra(1) and that is perfectly logical even pessimistic guess.....
 But even if the difference would be less, and Hydra(32) win 90% against Rybka,
it is damn hard to believe. Hydra scored against a perhaps buggy Shredder 9, 69%
so how i can believe the 90%+ scores.....Actually i can't believe in any way
scores more than 77% of  Hydra(32) against another top program. And of course
for Hydra(1) i expect results to be _much_ less, actually losing.
Another logic:
Hydra(16 CPU) Vs Shredder(perhaps even buggy version) 5.5 - 2.5 = 69%
Hydra(1 CPU) Vs Rybka = 75% to 80%
Odd right.....?




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