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Subject: Re: " Tb or not Tb?" Ay,That is the Question..

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:20:09 02/06/06

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On February 06, 2006 at 05:52:14, Mike S. wrote:

>I recommend to make a compromise (don't bother to continue reading if you do not
>accept compromises :-))
>
>1. In GAMES*, do NOT use all giant tbs. you can get. I recommend a subset, all
>3- and 4-piece tbs. and all KR?-KR (incl. KQR-KR) 5-piece tbs. Rook versus rook
>endings are the most important in practice. So, you would get most of the
>practical benefit and at the same time, escape from the slowdown effect which
>would be caused by the other 5-piece tbs. you don't use then.
>
>(Pure pawn endings are of course very important too, but easier to calculate in
>conjunction with the 4-piece support.)
>
>*) Analysis of late endgame positions is of course a different topic; I use
>online ressources which offer up to 6-piece tbs. (which I do not have installed)
>to check such positions.
>
>In addition to all 70 3- and 4-piece tbs. files (~30 MB) these are the files
>
>01.06.2001  01:00        14.061.624 kqrkr.nbw.emd
>01.06.2001  01:00        28.475.167 kqrkr.nbb.emd
>01.06.2001  05:00        11.267.500 krrkr.nbw.emd
>01.06.2001  05:00        17.169.632 krrkr.nbb.emd
>01.06.2001  05:00        16.970.339 krnkr.nbw.emd
>01.06.2001  05:00         5.584.441 krnkr.nbb.emd
>01.06.2001  05:00        17.189.887 krbkr.nbw.emd
>01.06.2001  05:00         4.338.256 krbkr.nbb.emd
>01.06.2001  06:00        68.946.403 krpkr.nbb.emd
>01.06.2001  06:00        81.247.218 krpkr.nbw.emd
>
>(~265 MB)
>
>2. Use a larger tbs. cache. I recommend 32 MB. Some believe this is not
>necessary and the Windows cache handles everything much better. Make your own
>choice.
>
>3. I assume that evals from tbs. hits are stored in the hash tables just like
>any evals are. That would mean, large hash tables help to reduce the tbs.
>slowdown effect too, again assuming that hash is always probed first no matter
>if it is a tbs. position or not. (Of course, take care to not make them too
>large, IOW avoid memory swapping.)
>
>I'm not 100% sure about point (3.); maybe programmers can check if my
>assumptions are correct?
>
>Regards,
>M.Scheidl

I can only reply about my program.  I do, in fact, do exactly that.  Flagging
such positions so that they do not get overwritten if at all possible as well.




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