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Subject: Re: Why credit Rybka's eval when it is the search??

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 12:44:30 02/06/06

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On February 06, 2006 at 11:48:22, Stephen A. Boak wrote:

>On February 06, 2006 at 10:31:41, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On February 05, 2006 at 19:41:52, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>>
>>>On February 05, 2006 at 18:15:26, enrico carrisco wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think the "SUPER" evaluation strength is imagined because the tactics are
>>>>stronger than anything else.  Somehow, in the midst of all the madness,
>>>>the eval gets the credit.
>>>
>>>>Sometimes people read what they want into the motives for why moves were
>>>>selected and "Rybka worship" requires that people think it evaluates these
>>>>things when it actually searches them.
>>>
>>>Which is more important, search or eval?
>>>
>>>Or perhaps their intertwined ability (neither gets top billing) to select
>>>relatively better moves, more often or better in more critical circumstances
>>>(than the opponent)?
>>>
>>>Do some programs perform eval (in any form) during search?
>>>
>>>It has often been said that the winner of a chess game is the player who makes
>>>the next to last mistake.
>>>
>>>Wonder what that means for comparing chess programs.  I'm sure they all make
>>>mistakes.  I'm sure they all are imperfect in some regard.
>>>
>>>Which program more likely makes only the next to the last mistake (& ends up the
>>>victor).
>>>
>>>Which program more likely makes the last mistake--and slips up more often in the
>>>opening, middle-game, and/or endgame, such that its opponent can convert the win
>>>from that position.
>>>
>>>Fascinating topic.  Not sure search or eval takes top billing in such a
>>>discussion.
>>>
>>>All comments welcome.
>>>
>>>--Steve
>>Programs/Comps don't make mistakes! They play the best move found... when it
>>comes time for them to move or, when you stop the analysis.
>>They are a Tool! We use them for enjoyment. Period!
>>I don't understand why people don't realize this!
>>cy
>
>Please don't ruin this thread.
He said,
"All comments welcome."
I gave one.
OK?
Thanks in advance.

>Thanks in advance.



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