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Subject: Re: Rybka nps - 30knps

Author: Ryan B.

Date: 19:25:35 02/06/06

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On February 06, 2006 at 21:58:39, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On February 06, 2006 at 21:47:09, Ryan B. wrote:
>
>>On February 06, 2006 at 17:20:00, Alvaro Jose Povoa Cardoso wrote:
>>
>>>Some time ago I saw someone reporting (don't remember if it was here) Rybka
>>>doing 30Knps, while crafy 19.x doing 800Knps and Fritz8 doing over a million nps
>>>on his pc while beating both crafty and fritz.
>>>
>>>Over the years computer programmers said that nps was an importante factor in an
>>>engine performance, (and I agree, look at Deep Blue and Hydra).
>>>In face of Rybka nps, my question is:
>>>What the hell is going on?
>>>In this department Rybka seams to prove that nps isn't a factor for performance
>>>at all.
>>>
>>>Please state you opinion on this.
>>>
>>>best regards,
>>>Alvaro Cardoso
>>
>>Rather it is to hide extra hidden search or for marketing propaganda I do not
>>know but I do know Rybka manipulates its node count.
>
>By what means do you know this?
>
>>What is really important
>>is the tactical strength of Rybka not the NPS.  It will be interesting to see
>>what other engines have similar success after going back to try “old” ideas.
>>Also not that Rybka is bad in endgames, I think it is rather good, but it will
>>be interesting to see how Vas handles the endgame issues in Rybka.  It does not
>>seem that it will be as simple as just adding endgame knowledge.
>>
>>
>>Ryan


At low depths the node count can go down from one depth to the next.  That
should be proof enough as node count should never go down.  I am sure I could
find the algorithm used to manipulate the node count in the REC output but I am
not so interested in that area.  Possibly if I have some time to burn I will
look for it later.

Ryan



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