Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 06:11:39 02/08/06
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On February 08, 2006 at 08:00:32, stuart taylor wrote: >On February 07, 2006 at 15:47:22, Torstein Hall wrote: > >>On February 07, 2006 at 15:04:20, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>Since Rybka is only in its first year, and it is already so advanced, does this >>>indicate that next year it might be 200 elo even stronger than the final beta of >>>this year? >>>S.Taylor >> >>Probably not! :-) >> >>Torstein >> >>PS I think it gets harderer and harder to improve the better you get. But maybee >>if you do come up with a very different approch or a new technique or whatever. > >Indeed, Vasik is doing a very different approach to chess programming, and >selling them. >He is not stopping at something which will merely put Rybka in first place, and >saving the rest for another year. >It could be he is giving it all he's got, NOW. And that, will be the masterpiece >which will hold, and even if equalled, not surpassed. >This is obviously a much more honest and interesting way. >In fact, In a way I'm happy that I still waited till now, and didn't give up >chess and all these things yet (which would have been better for me in general, >but the up side is that I got what I was waiting for, and it is not taking till >2008 or longer, which might have been the case without Vasik). > >Still, I was wondering if this was indeed the case. > >In fact, if Vasik would say he was staying around to make even better updates >all at the same one-time price, I would be happy to pay $100 He has not even a complete program and you are happy that he didnt leave in the meantime. Wonderful! What will happen IF he gave his best shot and then things get more difficult? Will he stay or leave? Always under the assumption that also with 100 € he cant make a living out of Rybka alone. Then your personal aspect. Do you play chess? What for is such an engine/tool good for you? I mean so valuable that you didnt give up chess? And if you play on what level do you play? Do you really expect that Rybka could replace a human GM for you? I would say that the extra strength of Rybka over Fritz or Fruit isnt worth a cent for common chessplayers under a very high Elo region. So the real top players could enjoy Rybka. And then you have the operators who enjoy operating a machine online. Fine, another twenty people. You must realise that you can get a free program which is almost invisibly weaker than Rybka. For example SPIKE or THE THINKER. Where is the problem? What makes Rybka so attractive for you that you delay a decision to give up chess which would be allegedly a good decision for your own future...? Are you either a super GM or an operator? I didnt hear from you up to now. BTW computerchess is something you can do besides everything else. You must not stop it. But why then losing precious time with such an incomplete product? If you want strength take the known Freeware. But if you want functioning completem products then you must buy yourself the ChessBase tools. You can do it completely independent of the internet. For all people who want to live their own life the State of the Art products are the best. You have no time for unneccessary debates. But for all seniors or students who are hanging around, handicapped or less talented, they can well follow Vas as the new Guru. But be warned! A guru cant make a living from such a small party. He will neccessarily leave you for good. See Ruffian author and others like Richard Lang. For the latter alone the difference between hardware profit and suddenly cheap software which became even stronger and therefore more attractive than the hardware products led to the decision to make in family life exclusively... Every young and somewhere talented young guy should think twice before he decided to link his own life to the one of a chessprogrammer. At first it doent pay in CC groupie life and then it disables you to follow your own destiny in life - and dont forget that you only have this one life. It's very short and nothing comes back, and in the end it's quite bad if you had forgotten to build up a family which is only possible with a decent profession. And that is impossible to achieve with a deeper involvment in computerchess activities... I am old, I have a profession where I am the master of my time schedule which is very important, I have a family, for me computerchess is a replacement of the tournament play in chess clubs during my youth. You can do the same but not for now, now you must get educations and a good profession. All the best, Stu. In thirty years you will remember what I said and then you will tell the same to your own kids. -Rolf
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